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Toei

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  1. This wasn't my experience at all. I had the "avoid interstates" option turned on. I wanted to go from Woodland WA to Longview WA via some county roads, I already know the way but was testing the Zumo. Instead of going north to Longview, it sent me south all the way to Oregon (!!!), put me on both I84 and I5 for part of the route (after sending me east up the Columbia River Gorge for some distance), before returning north to eventually get to Longview. Google Maps in motorcycle mode would do the correct route perfectly every time (including Green Mountain Rd, which is awesome on a motorcycle). If I were going to the coast via Longview and SR4, somehow the Zumo would figure out the correct route for the return trip, but never the initial trip. Google Maps in motorcycle mode would route correctly for both legs. I made sure the Zumo was updated. I had a sweet mount and wiring setup I'd done on my T7 for the Zumo XT, I really wanted to make it work. In the end it was a very expensive lesson learned (sold for a big loss on eBay). I'd had many Garmin Nuvi's in both work and personal vehicles over the years and generally had good routing results so I was baffled that the newer model was so much worse. Although with those I just left in the default "fastest route" mode.
  2. Yes apparently! For my needs if the device can't figure out the correct route on its own then I have no use for it. I'm pretty spur-of-moment/ad-hoc versus planning everything in advance. I'm sure it works brilliantly for those who have the time and inclination to complete the additional steps.
  3. Yeah the Garmin navigation seems like a non-starter to me. I had a Zumo XT and its route finding was absurdly horrible. It would route me to a completely different state on a multi-hour route to destination and skipped an incredible motorcycle route that was otherwise 40 minutes. Garmin customer service was able to recreate the issue but had no answer. That wasn't the only glaring anomaly. Needless to say, I've lost all confidence in Garmin navigation. So the fee-for-feature doesn't phase me in this case. Apple Car Play would be way more useful to me. Edit to add: Not that I'm saying I wish it had Apple Car Play! This bike has more than enough tech as it is.
  4. I drove a friend's new Rav4 with ACC on a two-day trip and it was mostly good, but there were a couple of instances on left-hand curves of the interstate where the radar picked up a decelerating vehicle on an off-ramp and slowed the car down suddenly. Of course on a motorcycle I'd be more concerned than in a car with any anomalous behavior from the ACC. Yamaha includes a LOT of warnings in the manual on various situations which could cause unexpected behavior. You'd think with all those known situations they would have realized it might be a good idea to be able to use CC without radar!
  5. Ugh, I'm starting to waiver a little in my conviction to get the new Tracer. Already placed a deposit. I definitely don't want the 22 model - the crappy switch gear and display is a deal breaker on that one. I wonder how much electromagnetic radiation the rider soaks up with the radar on all the time? At least there is the ability to turn it off completely, if I remember right. But of course no CC without it coming back on. Edit: Confirmed on page 5-32 of the manual that by turning off Brake Control, both the linked brakes (Unified Braking System) and radar-linked ABS are disabled. It just operates in standard ABS with no linked brakes at that point. So that's something. Now I wonder what happens if you have brake control turned off, but use the ACC? Does brake control come back on?
  6. I agree Yamaha missed the mark, and apparently assumed everyone would prefer the ACC. All it would take would be an additional CC mode in software to not include the radar. Having two GT versions in the US was never going to happen considering how low-volume this model seems to be here. It's not a deal breaker for me, however. The next closest competitor for me is the Versys 1000, and having driven the current US versions of both the Tracer still separates itself (although Versys is a great bike in many ways).
  7. Thanks @robzilla, you're right it looks like ACC or nothing (no standard CC mode).
  8. If the radar is shut off, can the cruise control function as a standard CC?
  9. From what I've seen, locking out owners from hardware and software they already own tends to alienate owners and decrease brand loyalty more often than not. I guess that will only matter for as long as some manufacturers refrain from implementing that scheme.
  10. My next bike may be the last street bike I buy. I will buy new as that’s the only way I can ensure it’s broken in and cared for the way I want from mile zero. And I want something with the potential to last 20 years/200k miles. Like most of the others here I balk at the complexity of the GT+. I have my doubts as to how long Yamaha will manufacture/stock all the complex electronic subassemblies for the 2024 version. And to be sure, they create additional points of failure with this bike. I’m not saying I won’t buy one, but it puts me on the fence. I know if a non-plus GT with the updated screen and switchgear is offered in Europe that I will be envious for that one either way.
  11. I found the Yamaha UK bike configurator tool interesting for A/B visual comparison between the GT and the GT+. Open in two separate browser tabs and click between them. Something that jumped out is the new seat profile seems to have more of a downward slope than before?! I've only test-ridden a Tracer and didn't get a good sense of the seat, but I know a lot of people complain about that. On a positive note, the GT+ has much larger foot pegs. https://www.yamaha-motor.eu/gb/en/products/motorcycles/sport-touring/tracer-9-gt-2023/configurator/ https://www.yamaha-motor.eu/gb/en/products/motorcycles/sport-touring/tracer-9-gt-plus-2023/configurator/?parts=B5C-854A3-00-00,B5U-H54A5-00-00&code=MT09TRDX&color=PGD&year=2023
  12. @betoney Good reminder about when two trim lines were offered in the US. Not having CC on the base model was perhaps its main detriment. If Yamaha were to offer 2 trims again, the GT (non-plus) could be closer to that 2019 GT. So, standard (non-radar) CC plus fully adjustable/non-electronic suspension, and non-linked brakes. The cost savings would be significant (look up the parts prices of the current active-dampening fork assemblies), and many riders would be happy with that configuration. Long-term reliability would be better too. Of course include the new screen and keep the IMU Sadly, it's not going to happen any time soon, if ever. The flood of 2022 models still on the US market and the past history you cite ensure that.
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