Sick of Yamaha

[robzilla]

2 hours ago, BVEBRAD said:

 I'm still waiting for Yamaha to make accessories available here in the USA.

What accessories are you looking for? I admit I've bought a few items from UK/Europe and Canada already and while it would be nice to have Yamaha make it with their name on it, it would be more expensive and don't think it will come around (yet?). Some of the accessory companies, ie, SW Motech and Pyramid do a much better job both in terms of looks and prices.

[BVEBRAD]

I want the heated comfort seat so I can control it through the dash.  I find the stock seat to be OK so I'm hoping their comfort seat will be a step up.

[FarmForce]

On 7/1/2022 at 11:40 AM, BVEBRAD said:

I bought my Tracer 9 GT in July of 2021.  After several issues which had the bike laid up for over 6 months they finally have it right, well almost.  I find their latest ECU reflash to suck, you know, the one from the recall.  The bike runs terrible when cold and there's a flat spot in the powerband that's very noticeable when accelerating hard from second gear at low revs.  I would tell you at what RPM's but I can't begin to see that sorry ass TFT that Yamaha decided to give the bike. The bike also has a strange trait when engine braking.  It will slow down as expected but then the compression just seems to release itself causing the bike to lurch forward just a bit.    My latest complaint is that Yamaha has made hardly any accessories available for the bike.  I want the heated comfort seat but it isn't available in the states.  While I find the Tracer 9 GT to be a great bike I must say that I enjoyed my 2015 FJ09 a lot more.  I was just more fun.  I'm not sure how long I'll keep the Tracer, this one has just left me with a bad taste, especially the way Yamaha has decided to run their enterprise.

I'm waiting til the new Honda NT1100 becomes available.  Hopefully I'll find that more to my liking.  Sorry for the negativity but my latest attempt to get the seat mentioned earlier has me pissed.

If anyone else is experiencing the flatspot in the powerband or the lurching when engine braking please let me know.

 

Move on ... buy something else and spare us the whining 

Edited November 29, 2022 by FarmForce

[betoney]

27 minutes ago, FarmForce said:

 

Move on ... buy something else and spare us the whining 

There's a big difference between whining and voicing a legitimate complaint about the bike not running correctly even after Yamaha's failed attempts at fixing the issues.

[2and3cylinders]

3 hours ago, FarmForce said:

 

Move on ... buy something else and spare us the whining 

Wow, if your not joking that's harsh.

Especially for a newbie

I understand his frustration but you don't have to read it all and or add to his troubles...

[BVEBRAD]

On 10/19/2022 at 12:02 PM, texscottyd said:

@BVEBRAD - I don't see an update in this thread (which we've admitted hijacked with a lot of EV banter), but I recall you getting your issues with the T9 resolved... is that correct?   Software update, or throttle bodies, or something similar?   Hoping that Yamaha got it sorted for you, and the ownership experience has been more pleasant of late.

-Scott

 

Hey Scott, yes the bike was finally fixed in February 2022.  They also replaced my entire front brake assembly due to the fact my brake rotors were seriously warped.  The bike runs great and I love it.  Still has the flat spot in second but I've learned to live with it.  I will say the 2023 looks interesting.

 

On a different note I am seeing responses to this post that I've never noticed before.  I did update the history of my experiences.

[BVEBRAD]

11 hours ago, betoney said:

There's a big difference between whining and voicing a legitimate complaint about the bike not running correctly even after Yamaha's failed attempts at fixing the issues.

Hey FarmForce, why don't you go plant some corn or screw a sheep.  Read the entire post.

[Ride365]

18 minutes ago, BVEBRAD said:

Hey FarmForce, why don't you go plant some corn or screw a sheep.  Read the entire post.

Oh come on now, you're asking too much of him and many people these days.......they just spout off without letting the dust settle, or they don't want to read or hear the whole story.

[subzero21T9GT]

@BVEBRAD Did you figure out the issue with the lurching forward? Once off-throttle I get a lurch too.  

[BVEBRAD]

5 hours ago, subzero21T9GT said:

@BVEBRAD Did you figure out the issue with the lurching forward? Once off-throttle I get a lurch too.  

Unfortunately no, I've just learned to live with it.  That and the slight hesitation when accelerating hard out of second gear.  I'm hoping it will all be gone after I get it reflashed from 2 Wheeled Dyno Works.

[johnmark101]

On 11/28/2022 at 7:58 PM, FarmForce said:

 

Move on ... buy something else and spare us the whining 

 

Wow.......how very rude.

[KrustyKush]

As to the “lurch” during decel.

My 2021 T9GT same same. First bike I’ve ever had that does this. Apparently it is a “thing” because it is now universal, but it’s purpose remains a mystery to me.

Last August, 2022, I bought a new 22 Goldwing. It acts exactly like my Tracer in that manner of “lurch.”  This trait of engine management must be a requirement of emissions, sure can’t be safety. It doesn’t help a bit with riding the bike, and is actually irritating to me. I wish the new bikes weren’t like this. But they are. 

[ZigMerid]

5 hours ago, KrustyKush said:

This trait of engine management must be a requirement of emissions, sure can’t be safety. It doesn’t help a bit with riding the bike, and is actually irritating to me. I wish the new bikes weren’t like this. But they are. 

Agreed. I have certainly noticed this on a V-Strom as well. I think you're correct that it's a consequence of emissions management in which the computer is just shutting down all/most fuel to the engine.

As we all know, emissions management is a big issue for ICE manufacturers these days and I'm sure solutions are going to continue to "intrude" on the riding experience. Just wait until some bright spark decided to put engine stop/start on the next motorbike or shutdown a couple of cylinders during low power requirements! Or when we open up the throttle and the computers says "I'm sorry Dave, I cannot do that".

I'm not really complaining about the need for better emissions control - particularly as motorbikes have lower requirements than cars - but sometimes the manufacturers seem to be a bit more focussed on letter-of-the-law solutions rather than rider-experience solutions.

The reality is that we riders are going to have to adapt just as much as the manufacturers are.

[betoney]

4 hours ago, ZigMerid said:

I think you're correct that it's a consequence of emissions management in which the computer is just shutting down all/most fuel to the engine.

Correct, that is why ECU flashes are so popular, one of the prominent feature listed on tuners websites is "eliminate or disable fuel cut". 

[ZigMerid]

6 hours ago, betoney said:

that is why ECU flashes are so popular

I'd get an ECU flash too, but I do wonder whether they compromise the environmental conformance. After all, if a 3rd party mechanic in a back-alley garage can reprogram an ECU to make the bike perform better *and* stay within conformance, then why can't a billion dollar company like Yamaha with a truckload of PhDs and Engineering specialists do the same?

I certainly don't like all the laws of my country, but right-minded people don't pick and choose which laws to comply with based on convenience or a trivial desire to have a better motorbike experience.

Edited February 7, 2023 by ZigMerid