kyle J Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 Anyone out there looking at the y-amt version ? I currently have have a 21 tracer 9 gt which i got this past spring and loving it ! I'm 60 and will be retiring 1n the next couple of years so was thinking of replacing the 21 when the time comes and was looking at a automatic bike as an option but with the introduction of the y-amt version of the tracer its probably my likley choice. Any opinions and thoughts would ne appreciated . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member betoney Posted November 8 Supporting Member Share Posted November 8 4 hours ago, kyle J said: Anyone out there looking at the y-amt version ? I currently have have a 21 tracer 9 gt which i got this past spring and loving it ! I'm 60 and will be retiring 1n the next couple of years so was thinking of replacing the 21 when the time comes and was looking at a automatic bike as an option but with the introduction of the y-amt version of the tracer its probably my likley choice. Any opinions and thoughts would ne appreciated . I also own a Honda VFR1200X with DCT, similar to the Yamaha in that it can be used either in full auto or full manual with the paddle shifters. I really like having the option and it works very well for commuting or touring but for the sportier type of riding, I would not want it as my only bike -yet (although it has selectable sport modes which work fairly well). I have an earlier version of the DCT that doesn't feed into an IMU so it cannot detect lean angle, corners or elevation changes, so I have to override the gear selection at times. The newer DCT with an IMU or Yamahas A-MT might be more advanced than my bike and work better in those situations. ***2015 Candy Red FJ-09*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member piotrek Posted November 8 Supporting Member Share Posted November 8 You will know much more in the next couple of years if this system works well and how it's received by the masses. Not many other ST options out there at the moment, other than Honda's DCT. Africa Twin is a different beast altogether, and the NT1100 isn't making its way across the pond. 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle J Posted November 9 Author Share Posted November 9 Looks like in the US according to the Yamaha website only the base tracer 9 is available in the States, and both the base tracer 9 and the y-amt version will be available in Canada and no Gt+ version. Will be looking forward to some real world feedback in the next year or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member 2and3cylinders Posted November 9 Premium Member Share Posted November 9 From what I've read, the amt. Currently does not tie in with the IM.U unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle J Posted November 9 Author Share Posted November 9 That's why always good not to jump in right away with new tech . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhotoAl Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 Never forget campground in Calgary Canada. Pulling out was a steep parking area to a steer road. Off to the right was a 5 or 6 foot deep hole or maybe more. It was a get it right or really bad things will happen. The rare places like that are where I would want to know exactly how the AT would operate. I gave it more gas than usual and slipped the clutch a lot and did just fine. When I first was riding there was a neighborhood intersection that was a steep uphill with a right turn onto a steep downhill. Stop sign of course. It challanged my skills and after riding it a number of times I got good at it. The practice, practice, practice and push your skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member 2and3cylinders Posted November 10 Premium Member Share Posted November 10 55 minutes ago, PhotoAl said: Never forget campground in Calgary Canada. Pulling out was a steep parking area to a steer road. Off to the right was a 5 or 6 foot deep hole or maybe more. It was a get it right or really bad things will happen. The rare places like that are where I would want to know exactly how the AT would operate. I gave it more gas than usual and slipped the clutch a lot and did just fine. When I first was riding there was a neighborhood intersection that was a steep uphill with a right turn onto a steep downhill. Stop sign of course. It challanged my skills and after riding it a number of times I got good at it. The practice, practice, practice and push your skills. And you were riding what i'm confused which is easy to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikenLee Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 The Y-AMT is only a semi automatic box, like a tiptronic, whereas the DCT is a fully automatic box which can also be used manually. Alternatively, Honda also has the e-clutch which is similar to the AMT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member betoney Posted November 11 Supporting Member Share Posted November 11 1 hour ago, NikenLee said: The Y-AMT is only a semi automatic box, like a tiptronic, whereas the DCT is a fully automatic box which can also be used manually. Alternatively, Honda also has the e-clutch which is similar to the AMT Yamaha's Y-AMT and Honda's e-clutch offerings are completely different from each other, Honda's e-clutch allows you the option of not using the clutch lever but you still have the clutch lever and shift pedal for fully manual operation like you normally use on a motorcycle. You still shift each gear yourself. https://global.honda/en/tech/Honda_E-Clutch/ Yamaha's Y-AMT does not have a clutch lever or shift pedal, it has finger paddles to shift manually but also has 2 FULLY AUTOMATIC shift modes, D and D+, you just twist the throttle and the bike takes over the shifting. https://www.yamaha-motor.eu/cy/en/motorcycles/y-amt/ 1 1 ***2015 Candy Red FJ-09*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skipperT Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 (edited) Hmmm… I would argue that none of these are “automatic” like we would talk about an automatic automotive transmission application…. More of an Automated Shift or Clutch motorcycle. For example Honda DCT still uses clutches/shafts/gears etc. the only thing “auto” about it is that solenoids switch oil flow and pressure based on a signal from the ECM to activate a shifter mechanism. Still an activated mechanical shift though. KTM’s new system is less complicated with an external shift solenoid and a single clutch, although I believe ktm actually added a clutch component similar to a Rekluse clutch plate within the pack, as opposed to Honda which uses traditional clutch plates and an internal wet sprague type clutch in the DCT depending on which model you want to explore. https://www.ktm.com/en-ca/tech-guide/AMT.html I haven’t explored the technical side of the EClutch 650 model yet, though it presents similarly. I would argue these new motorcycles have an automatic shifting and/or clutching mechanism, as opposed to an automatic transmission. https://news.yamaha-motor.co.jp/news/2024/0726/y-amt.html my money’s on the Yamaha and KTM systems being the most “manual shift” like in their rider experience. Can’t wait to ride them! just my $.02 -Skip edit:nice link above from Betoney, visually EClutch makes sense to me now… also quite simple vs DCT system. Edited November 11 by skipperT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skipperT Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 (Guess we were writing at the same time, @betoney lol. ) -S 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikenLee Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 (edited) Yes, I didn't notice the D modes, and stand corrected, thanks Edited November 12 by NikenLee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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