drgonzo615 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Ok, so I might have an opportunity that I cant pass up but...... A local dealer has a bike on sale for cheap...I mean very cheap, roughly $4700 off list. I ask for an OTD quote with the breakdown of the charges and there is a $1043 prep/freight charge on there. Now the bike is still basically at a price point where other dealers have marked them down to move them BEFORE any of the tax and license and its still roughly $2700 off of normal list....but good lord, that prep and freight charge is astronomical. Should I balk at it? Or take the deal regardless because, well, its still a damn good deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbeau Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 So... What's the price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drgonzo615 Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 normal price is $12799 sale price is $7999 OTD $10000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norcal616 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 dealer prep/freight is a black area where they tend to stick it to ppl... if the bike is still in its shipping crate, all they gotta do is put the front wheel on, add fluids, hook up battery, preform VIN check for any recalls and any state rules about safety inspection before letting you have the bike.. shipping charges are about $350-450 I have seen... ***I got lucky and told em to shove the prep charges up up they rear end since my bike was already put together a good year before I brought off the floor because the store owner wanted to test drive one, it got the bike with 14miles on it and if they didnt I was gonna find every little scratch, odd blemish,etc to offset the prep charges...i wasnt gonna pay for prep work since the owner wanted to test drive one and its not my responsibility to pay for his work he had his ppl do for him to test drive the bike... 2012 wr250f - C-class 30+ age group 2015 fz-07- Hordpower Edition-80whp 2015 fj-09- Graves Exhaust w/Woolich tune by 2WDW @120whp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drgonzo615 Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 dealer prep/freight is a black area where they tend to stick it to ppl... if the bike is still in its shipping crate, all they gotta do is put the front wheel on, add fluids, hook up battery, preform VIN check for any recalls and any state rules about safety inspection before letting you have the bike.. shipping charges are about $350-450 I have seen... ***I got lucky and told em to shove the prep charges up up they rear end since my bike was already put together a good year before I brought off the floor because the store owner wanted to test drive one, it got the bike with 14miles on it and if they didnt I was gonna find every little scratch, odd blemish,etc to offset the prep charges...i wasnt gonna pay for prep work since the owner wanted to test drive one and its not my responsibility to pay for his work he had his ppl do for him to test drive the bike...I get what you are saying, but I think this bike will move fast regardless of the stupid prep/freight charge. Just not sure if I should bitch about it since its still coming in way under normal list at the OTD pricing. Another wrinkle to this is that its an auction bike; which was explained to me as a bike bought from another dealer that couldnt move it at auction...so they didnt even do any prep work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norcal616 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 -if its a 2017 bike, $10k is good and have them give you free code clearing -if its pre 2017, ppl are selling em used for just under $8k w/ goodies and around 5-7k miles... you want the pre 2017 bikes so you can at least clear the fault codes ? for something simple as a tire change or TB synch... 2012 wr250f - C-class 30+ age group 2015 fz-07- Hordpower Edition-80whp 2015 fj-09- Graves Exhaust w/Woolich tune by 2WDW @120whp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member britelitebob Posted August 16, 2017 Premium Member Share Posted August 16, 2017 Bike dealers are getting more like car dealers doing whatever funny business they think they can get away with so they can advertise a low price to get buyers in the door, all that really should matter is the total cost to get the bike otd..... and pay no attention to that man behind the curtains pulling those levers. BLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickjs5 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Getting a $10k OTD quote is not a mind-numbingly good deal. I called several dealerships back in late 2016 and January of this year, ended up with quotes of $9.8k (2015), $10.2k (2016), $10.4k (2016) on new models (this was before 2017 released). Bought a used 2015 with 800 miles for $8500 after taxes. My point is this deal is not good enough to just jump on. The low list price means nothing; over $2k in fees is very high, and the OTD price is good but not unheard of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member betoney Posted August 17, 2017 Supporting Member Share Posted August 17, 2017 Ok, so I might have an opportunity that I cant pass up but...... A local dealer has a bike on sale for cheap...I mean very cheap, roughly $4700 off list. I ask for an OTD quote with the breakdown of the charges and there is a $1043 prep/freight charge on there. Now the bike is still basically at a price point where other dealers have marked them down to move them BEFORE any of the tax and license and its still roughly $2700 off of normal list....but good lord, that prep and freight charge is astronomical. Should I balk at it? Or take the deal regardless because, well, its still a damn good deal? First off, what bike/year are you talking about? It might give us a better idea if this is a good deal or not. Just because he tells you its discounted $4,000 doesn't mean he didn't originally add a $4,000 markup. I just looked on cycletrader .com and there are many brand new 2015 and 2106 FJ's listed under $7,999+ fees. When I bought mine, I got it for the same OTD price you listed but that included 4 year Y.E.S. warranty and I paid a shipping and admin fee because they had to go get the color I wanted from a different dealer out of town. ***2015 Candy Red FJ-09*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skipperT Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 dealer prep/freight is a black area where they tend to stick it to ppl... if the bike is still in its shipping crate, all they gotta do is put the front wheel on, add fluids, hook up battery, preform VIN check for any recalls and any state rules about safety inspection before letting you have the bike.. shipping charges are about $350-450 I have seen... ***I got lucky and told em to shove the prep charges up up they rear end since my bike was already put together a good year before I brought off the floor because the store owner wanted to test drive one, it got the bike with 14miles on it and if they didnt I was gonna find every little scratch, odd blemish,etc to offset the prep charges...i wasnt gonna pay for prep work since the owner wanted to test drive one and its not my responsibility to pay for his work he had his ppl do for him to test drive the bike... Ok, just to clear some things up..... Prep on every model is different. Some sportbikes have the wheel and bars on, some have one clamp-on loose and are only missing the windscreen, etc. Cruisers may be missing saddlebags, front fairing, bars and controls, and the front wheel and can take up to 2-3 hours to put together. Some ATV's come with NO tires installed, no front shocks, no a-arm guards, no skid plates, no handlebars or controls installed, dry air filter, etc. You cannot generalize that "all they gotta do is put the wheel on and check the fluids". Not that simple. The dealer is also responsible legally for that machine being safe to ride, and the tech or setup flunky who takes it for a ride is the last line of defense that the factory didn't majorly screw something up on the assembly line. I agree that it's a markup and a profit area for the dealer - but it also helps to pay the flooring fee, title fee, etc - and shipping per unit is quite a bit more expensive than you may think. The FJ 09 has no hand guards, no bars installed, no mirrors or controls, no front wheel or ABS Sensor installed (hence the Check engine Codes from new when someone screws it up), and no windscreen when it is uncrated. FYI. -Skip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koth442 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I got my brand new '15 earlier this year for $8000 OTD. Heard of someone after me getting an even better deal. This thread will serve as a great reference for you. '15 FJ09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motorberus Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Got my 2015 in 2016 brand new for $8400 OTD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
root Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 dealer prep/freight is a black area where they tend to stick it to ppl... if the bike is still in its shipping crate, all they gotta do is put the front wheel on, add fluids, hook up battery, preform VIN check for any recalls and any state rules about safety inspection before letting you have the bike.. shipping charges are about $350-450 I have seen... ***I got lucky and told em to shove the prep charges up up they rear end since my bike was already put together a good year before I brought off the floor because the store owner wanted to test drive one, it got the bike with 14miles on it and if they didnt I was gonna find every little scratch, odd blemish,etc to offset the prep charges...i wasnt gonna pay for prep work since the owner wanted to test drive one and its not my responsibility to pay for his work he had his ppl do for him to test drive the bike...Ok, just to clear some things up..... Prep on every model is different. Some sportbikes have the wheel and bars on, some have one clamp-on loose and are only missing the windscreen, etc. Cruisers may be missing saddlebags, front fairing, bars and controls, and the front wheel and can take up to 2-3 hours to put together. Some ATV's come with NO tires installed, no front shocks, no a-arm guards, no skid plates, no handlebars or controls installed, dry air filter, etc. You cannot generalize that "all they gotta do is put the wheel on and check the fluids". Not that simple. The dealer is also responsible legally for that machine being safe to ride, and the tech or setup flunky who takes it for a ride is the last line of defense that the factory didn't majorly screw something up on the assembly line. I agree that it's a markup and a profit area for the dealer - but it also helps to pay the flooring fee, title fee, etc - and shipping per unit is quite a bit more expensive than you may think. The FJ 09 has no hand guards, no bars installed, no mirrors or controls, no front wheel or ABS Sensor installed (hence the Check engine Codes from new when someone screws it up), and no windscreen when it is uncrated. FYI. -Skip Totally agree that they need to be paid for work done, but there needs to be truth in advertising too. You shouldn't be able to advertise a "discounted" price of $7,999 for something you're not willing to let go for less than $10,000. When a dealer advertises a price, they know what the OTD price is. Hidden freight, prep, license and nose-picking fees should be outlawed. Advertise the price you're willing to let it go for and be done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madeuce216 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I got my '15 last November for $8100 OTD and that includes fees. If possible, shop some of the smaller dealerships that tend to sell more side by sides and other outdoor stuff besides bikes. I find they are usually ready to make a deal. It just depends. That same dealer has as an XSR 900 and if I had the cash i'd buy it and keep both bikes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member keithu Posted August 19, 2017 Premium Member Share Posted August 19, 2017 You cannot generalize that "all they gotta do is put the wheel on and check the fluids". Not that simple. The dealer is also responsible legally for that machine being safe to ride, and the tech or setup flunky who takes it for a ride is the last line of defense that the factory didn't majorly screw something up on the assembly line. I'd like to say I'm glad I found a dealer that doesn't tack on freight/setup fees to any of their bikes. But they do such a shoddy job of prep (loose axle, loose oil filler, missing fasteners) that I suppose I got what I paid for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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