captainscarlet Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 41 minutes ago, jdavis said: Yes it does. Well there you go I stand corrected. Just eaten a nice big piece of humble pie and corrected my previous post. 🥧 Apologies to Dundee. CS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dundee Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 As you noted in your update, the Yamaha CP3 engine does have an oil cooler; part 9 in the drawing above is labeled “oil cooler assembly”. We are all here to support each other so no problem. The block was changed substantially for the 2017 model year (new machine work for the oil cooler, new oil pan, etc.). The oil cooler was changed for cost reduction; the new part is 1/3 the cost of the old part. The block was also surreptitiously changed during the 2015/2016 engine production in an attempt to improve oil flow over the cam chain tensioner (you can read posts about it on this forum). If you have the Yamaha instructions for replacement of the CCT you will see that there are 2 versions that are not interchangeable as the CCT bore is different between the 2 blocks (one block for 2014-15 and another block for 2015-16). Given the cost of engine development, especially against low production in motorcycles, it is very unusual to see all these changes on the top and bottom ends of the engine as that requires a lot of changes in configuration management, parts, tooling, training, etc. If you take a model like the Suzuki Vstrom 650, there are very few changes of this significance during the life of a much older product. It could be that Yamaha is super proactive and jumps on needed changes faster than their competitors. If someone is on the forum from Yamaha or a dealer it would be interesting to get their take on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbiker Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I did my first valve adjustment at 14,000 miles on my 2015 FJ09. I found that all valves were set at .005 clearance. I was not the only one that found the factory set the exhaust valves too close. This could be the source of the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Hello guys, I need your help. I checked my valves clearances and this was the result in mm. Intake. 11-20mm Exhaust. 26-30mm Intake: .11/12 - 12/13 - 12/13 Exhaust: .21/.22 - .22/23 - .22/23 Do you think i should adjust them all? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koth442 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 15 minutes ago, tray said: Hello guys, I need your help. I checked my valves clearances and this was the result in mm. Intake. 11-20mm Exhaust. 26-30mm Intake: .11/12 - 12/13 - 12/13 Exhaust: .21/.22 - .22/23 - .22/23 Do you think i should adjust them all? Thanks Yes. '15 FJ09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Thanks. Let's get to work. Forgot to say that i have 32000kms/about 20kmiles. FJ09 2015 😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skipperT Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 13 hours ago, tray said: Hello guys, I need your help. I checked my valves clearances and this was the result in mm. Intake. 11-20mm Exhaust. 26-30mm Intake: .11/12 - 12/13 - 12/13 Exhaust: .21/.22 - .22/23 - .22/23 Do you think i should adjust them all? Thanks Good luck on those intake valves. Prepare yourself for a tough situation, because you need to bear in mind that the shim sizes that are widely available may not allow you to get to the middle of the spec. Typically EX valves go loose, and IN valves get tighter with miles, if that helps you with some of your shim decisions. Some won't agree with this statement, but one could re-use a factory valve shim if it was different by 0.01mm or so and got you closer to the spec - AND it was in good condition with no clear indentation. -Skip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruizin Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 54 minutes ago, skipperT said: Good luck on those intake valves. Prepare yourself for a tough situation, because you need to bear in mind that the shim sizes that are widely available may not allow you to get to the middle of the spec. Typically EX valves go loose, and IN valves get tighter with miles, if that helps you with some of your shim decisions. Some won't agree with this statement, but one could re-use a factory valve shim if it was different by 0.01mm or so and got you closer to the spec - AND it was in good condition with no clear indentation. -Skip Im really hoping that someday you decide to do a tech tip on how to check valves and I swear that if you also include pics and steps on shimming, I'll make you member of the year. Yamaha FZ-10 Forum Yamaha FZ-07 Forum Yamaha Ténéré 700 Forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 3 hours ago, skipperT said: Good luck on those intake valves. Prepare yourself for a tough situation, because you need to bear in mind that the shim sizes that are widely available may not allow you to get to the middle of the spec. Typically EX valves go loose, and IN valves get tighter with miles, if that helps you with some of your shim decisions. Some won't agree with this statement, but one could re-use a factory valve shim if it was different by 0.01mm or so and got you closer to the spec - AND it was in good condition with no clear indentation. -Skip Thanks. Right now I'm confused. From what I ve been reading the ex valves get tighter over miles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member piotrek Posted March 9, 2019 Supporting Member Share Posted March 9, 2019 5 hours ago, tray said: Thanks. Right now I'm confused. From what I ve been reading the ex valves get tighter over miles... No one on here reported any different. All valves seem to get tighter with use on this engine, but exhaust valves look to be better at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koth442 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 19 hours ago, Cruizin said: Im really hoping that someday you decide to do a tech tip on how to check valves and I swear that if you also include pics and steps on shimming, I'll make you member of the year. I really hope he just writes a phucking service manual, I'd pay money for that! '15 FJ09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skipperT Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, koth442 said: I really hope he just writes a phucking service manual, I'd pay money for that! You guys crack me up... where do you think I learned how to do it? i just have too much hands-on experience... -S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Hello, Intake. 11-20mm Exhaust. 26-30mm What do you think? Are my math correct or does it need some tweaks? I will reuse some shims. they have a slight center mark but i think they are fine. i will upload an image of the shim. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skipperT Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 5:11 AM, tray said: Hello, Intake. 11-20mm Exhaust. 26-30mm What do you think? Are my math correct or does it need some tweaks? I will reuse some shims. they have a slight center mark but i think they are fine. i will upload an image of the shim. Thanks You asked: Is my math correct or does it need tweaks? My counter question is: Did you MEASURE the clearance with the new shim and that is the value listed in the "result" column? Or are you guessing and hoping that's where it will wind up? In which case: you will probably not be happy with the MEASURED result after you install those shims. Some will probably be ok, but others may be too far out of spec, and you may need to pull the cams again and re-adjust. But I sincerely wish you luck and hope it works out. In my experience, valve lash adjustments are sometimes a crapshoot even when measured and calculated correctly. you aren't going to get them to that theoretical perfect clearance and you'll need to adjust your expectations accordingly. -Skip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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