Welcome to our New ECU Flashing Supporting Vendor!

[Cruizin]

I am so happy to announce that 2WheelDynoworks has come on board as a Supporting Vendor!
 
They will have ten FJ-09 tunes ready by mid April! Top speed limiter, Quickshifter, AIS shutoff, ETC ETC will all be at our disposal!
 
Stay tuned over the next two weeks while this develops! I'm sure that Nels will be stopping in to say hello and explain more details!
 
From their website http://2wheeldynoworks.com/services/ecu-flashing/
 
We have spent countless hours, on hundreds of bikes, with hundreds of configurations of air filters, exhausts etc, creating custom ecu flashes using dozens of programs. Why? Because we do whatever we can, to get your bike to run as perfectly as possible and create the best tune possible for your bike. This means we use a variety of programs, including ECUnleashed, Flashtune, Woolich Racing, TuneBoy, Motech, Microtech etc. This allows us to tune a broader spectrum of bikes and gives us the option to use the best software possible for each bike. Some are better than others at individual bikes. Since about 2006, motorcycles are being restricted more by software than they are by hardware. This means we are re-writing the software inside the motorcycles ECU to remove these restrictions and properly tune every aspect of modern motorcycles, such as fueling, timing, throttle mapping, individual gearing, cylinders, modes, speedometers, fan temps, air pumps, exup valves etc, the list goes on! If you have more questions please email us at 2wheeldynoworks@gmail.com
 
We can flash and tune stock ECU’s on the majority of all motorcycles. This can be through a variety of software programs we are certified and experienced in using. What this means is, we adjust everything the ECU controls, so we can optimize your bike for peak efficiency and performance with a simple flash. This means you don’t need any aftermarket piggy back plug in controllers for fueling or timing, on some bikes you can even run quickshifters off of the stock ECU’s and multiple maps, etc. The cost is between $250-$550 depending on the bike, please call or message for more information as this is the latest and greatest cutting edge tuning technology services that 2 Wheel DynoWorks is proud to offer to its customers.
 
 

[FigJam-OhNine]

Total noob when it comes to ECU flashing. Do you have to send the ECU in? What if you get it flashed and 6 months later decide to upgrade the exhaust? Do you have to send it in again? Do you have to pay both times?
 
Possibly way too early to even ask, since the vendor hasn't chimed in with any initial info yet

[Cruizin]

Yes, you would have to send your ECU in in order to have it flashed. Usually a very fast time though.
 
I will let Nels explain his policy about future tunes after changing exhaust but I promise that you will like it!
 
Wait, you are in Victoria! That's like a three hour ride down to Woodenville, Wa. Just ride down there this spring and get your tune in person.
 
 

[FigJam-OhNine]

Yes, you would have to send your ECU in in order to have it flashed. Usually a very fast time though.  
I will let Nels explain his policy about future tunes after changing exhaust but I promise that you will like it!
 
Wait, you are in Victoria! That's like a three hour ride down to Woodenville, Wa. Just ride down there this spring and get your tune in person.
 

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What are you, some kind of good idea machine?
 
Hmm, and my brother lives in Seattle and just bought a Daytona... Family visit perhaps.
 
 

[ULEWZ]

I want to be second in line, after the test mule.

[Cruizin]

I want to be second in line, after the test mule.

 
There is no test mule. He already tested an ECU.
 

[wessie]

I don't think there will be much Tracer business in Europe for the likes of Hilltop or others unless a new exhaust is fitted. The Tracer plays a pretty funky tune in standard form, now that the break in period over.
 
<wanders off to the stool under a bridge, whistling innocently>

[papifun]

Will not the warranty of the FJ be voided if a re flash is done ?

[wessie]

Will not the warranty of the FJ be voided if a re flash is done ?

With the caveat that I am not a lawyer my reply only applies to the UK as consumer law may be different elsewhere.  
An ECU reflash may affect certain warranty claims. In the UK something has to be of merchantable quality to be sold. This is totally independent of any warranty, which is a contract between you and Yamaha. So, if the bike is made with faulty parts, as in the US recall featured elsewhere, the Yamaha retailer (not Yamaha) has a legal duty under UK law to address that problem. The onus is on the retailer to ensure the customer receives a repair, refund etc and then uses their contract with Yamaha to recover their costs.
 
A warranty is a posh name for a contract. Now an ECU reflash might break the terms of that contract. However, if you make a claim on that contract that does not come under the consumer law mentioned above then Yamaha would need to prove that the breach of contract contributed to the claim. So, if you are claiming for a cosmetic defect such as premature rusting, a faulty display or an inoperative switch then they would struggle to prove your ECU reflash was a contributory factor. If you went to your dealer and had a burnt out valve then they are going to look to see if you have modified the bike in some way as a burnt out valve is pretty rare on modern engines, and only usually seen when someone has modified the engine without getting the parameters synchronised, ending up with a lean or rich mixture.
 
So, a blanket comment that an ECU reflash will void a warranty is far too loaded. What you need to be aware of is that an ECU reflash MAY affect a warranty claim if the engine is not set up properly and the reflash can be shown to contribute to the failure. Bear in mind, these aftermarket ECU programmers rely on repeat business and their reputation. Many of them have been in business for over a decade now, so they are quite skilled with their work. The vendor in this thread has tested his maps on a mule and was not willing to release his modifications to the marketplace until he had completed his R&D.  

[jimf]

Will not the warranty of the FJ be voided if a re flash is done ?

Bear in mind, these aftermarket ECU programmers rely on repeat business and their reputation. Many of them have been in business for over a decade now, so they are quite skilled with their work. The vendor in this thread has tested his maps on a mule and was not willing to release his modifications to the marketplace until he had completed his R&D.  

Also, anyone worth their salt would have done a gas analysis of the tuning, allowing them to determine if the mixture was appropriate.  (Even a backyard tech can do these these days since many bikes have built-in oxygen sensors.)  In a lot of cases the manufacturer's tuning will be very lean to comply with government emissions requirements, so the re-tune is likely to be (marginally) safer in this respect than the original. 
In my mind the biggest risk with ECU modifications comes at the edges of the tuning, e.g. where they remove or increase rev limits.  If you get a tune like that and actually push those limits and the motor blows up, well....
 
 

[papifun]

wessie.. very well said and i agree with your comments.. the truth is.. whom has most $$ will win and the Avg Joe losses because of the high cost of going through the process... i threw the comment out there because i am sure many have same question.. my experience, if re-tune (flash) was done at "stealer" then they baby you as say its ok.. it's tough out in the real "world"
 
ride safe..

[Cruizin]

Yes, ECU flash will void warranty. But, take a sec and call twowheeldynoworks and you will learn that the bulk of his business comes from DEALERS sending in their customers ECU's.
 
Why? It's because alot of us don't pay for or care for these warranties because we don't want amateur hour $9.00 per hour dealer mechanics working on our bikes in the first place. There are some exceptions, but most dealer techs are only there long enough to get enough experience until they open their own shops.
 
My mechanic used to work at my dealer. His stories of bikes coming back because the junior techs forgot to tighten that bolt, or the engine going back to the owner with no oil or coolant, etc, etc are astounding. He was embarrassed to work there the last year he was there and saving up to open his shop.
 
The dealer wanted almost $300 to sync my Throttle Bodies (very important to do this in the first 600 miles btw), my mechanic (used to be their shop manager) did it for $65.00.
 
Using that math, it's pretty safe to skip the warranty and take your bike to a proven and well reviewed private mechanic.

[riffraff]

The way it was explained to me was that a warranty could be voided if a bike was re-flashed only if it could be proven that the re-flash caused the problem leading to that warranty situation. See something called the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

[ctrlaltdl]

Anyone know how to get ahold of Nels? I've left him several messages this week and can't get a call back.
 
I just want to get my bike in for a dyno/tune.

[Cruizin]

I usually reach him pretty easily. I'll try him on Monday and remind him to come check in with us!