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Front and rear upgrade necessary?

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After my involuntary stoppies and nose diving earlier this week, I decided to do some research about adjusting the factory stock suspension of the Tracer. And look into replacement suspension.

I did adjust my front suspension and it feels a bit better. But just not good. So I looked at Hyperpro suspension and called a Hyperpro specialist. He told me that I can adjust whatever I want but I will never make the stock suspension really good. We then talked about replacing the front suspension with Hyperpro, but he told me that it would still leave the bike incorrectly tuned, as it would cause the bike to be unevenly balanced. According to him, the rear spring and shock absorber are just too weak. His advice was to replace both the front suspension and the rear spring and shock absorber to make it really good.

Of course, this comes with a price tag.....And he is probably trying to sell his products. But at 749 euro (881 dollar) all-in it is a lot of money to spent without really investigating other options. 

So, any advice would be welcome......

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I don't think he is trying to sell his products, rather , he is giving you a genuine response, to ensure that you are not disappointed when getting 1/2 of your suspension sorted out does not produce the results you are hoping to achieve.

I have mine booked in for the 8th September for front and rear upgrades to K-Tech. It is a lot of money to spend, but I wouldn't consider getting 1/2 of it done.

You could always get the front done, then get the rear done at some time in the future if it was an issue. You 'could' be fine that way, but I think if you ask any suspension expert they will quickly recommend that you get both ends dealt with.

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2 hours ago, Michiel900GT said:

Of course, this comes with a price tag.....And he is probably trying to sell his products. But at 749 euro (881 dollar) all-in it is a lot of money to spent without really investigating other options. 

So, any advice would be welcome......

If you're getting front and rear done for 750 Euros that's not bad.   Also the guy is right in that both ends of the bike need fixing.  I went with K-tech cartridges up front and a K-tech shock in the rear.  Prices I paid you can read about here...

I fitted everything myself.  What components are included in the quote you've been given?

CS

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It's indeed 750 for the whole, but I just realized that for that price I get the streetbox from Hyperpro. I think with that set, I loose the possibility to adjust my rear spring with the standard suspension adjustment knob of my GT. 

 

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7 minutes ago, Michiel900GT said:

It's indeed 750 for the whole, but I just realized that for that price I get the streetbox from Hyperpro. I think with that set, I loose the possibility to adjust my rear spring with the standard suspension adjustment knob of my GT. 

 

True, the Streetbox gets you fork springs and an emulsion shock, rebound and manual spring preload only, no compression adjustment and remote spring preload is an optional add-on.

As a comparison, K-Tech has the Razor Lite Shock (similar basic shock as Hyperpro) and straight rate fork springs for about $560, no remote preload adjustment though.


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55 minutes ago, Michiel900GT said:

It's indeed 750 for the whole, but I just realized that for that price I get the streetbox from Hyperpro. I think with that set, I loose the possibility to adjust my rear spring with the standard suspension adjustment knob of my GT. 

 

Ok so the Streetbox includes a new shock, new fork springs and fork oil.  I'm guessing/hoping that the price you've been quoted includes fitting otherwise there are better/cheaper options.  Initially I changed to a K-tech Razor Lite rear shock and K-tech springs in the forks.  This sorted the rear end and made some improvement in the front.  Just getting springs for my weight made a noticeable difference .  However the real problem with the Tracer's front end is the fork hydraulics.  To improve those you either need a valve kit or you can swap out all the internals and fit a cartridge kit.  This is what I did.  I bought K-tech 20IDS cartridges and was able to use the K-tech springs I'd bought the year before.

Fitting the rear shock is easy if a little fiddly; it's just a couple of nuts and bolts and can easily be completed with basic tools.  Working on the forks on the other hand is more involved.  The process is not that difficult but does require a couple of special tools.  You also have to remove the forks from the bike.

There are plenty of options out there to buy shocks with remote preload adjustment like you have on your Tracer.  K-tech do the Razor Lite with a remote adjuster.  Another good choice is Nitron.  Hyperpro I'm sure are also good.  I guess the big question is how much of the fitting you want/can perform yourself.

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The price includes fitting. But I’m not sure yet if I want to replace the stock rear suspension if I loose the possibility to change the pre-load of the suspension. Hyperpro does have a rear suspension kit that also offers that option, but it isn’t cheap.

I looked into the K-tech option. Not cheap either and unfortunately most of the gear I would need is not in stock. I had hoped that I would only need to change my front springs like I did with my Diversion 900 back in 2001. That was a real improvement. But it seems the Tracer would become unbalanced if I only change the front.

Now, I’m really not the type of driver that attacks every corner like Marquez. So do I need top-of-the bill suspension? Not really. I just want the bike to be a little bit less prone to diving and a little bit more stable in the corners. 

Hyperpro does offer the combikit, which contains progressive front and rear springs but not the shock. The guy from Hyperpro said the standard shock is really too soft, but we didn’t discuss the option of the combikit in depth. 

What do you think, would the combikit be enough for now? And would the stock shock be able to handle this? Or would it eventually ruin my stock shock?

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43 minutes ago, Michiel900GT said:

Now, I’m really not the type of driver that attacks every corner like Marquez. So do I need top-of-the bill suspension? Not really. I just want the bike to be a little bit less prone to diving and a little bit more stable in the corners.

Hyperpro does offer the combikit, which contains progressive front and rear springs but not the shock. The guy from Hyperpro said the standard shock is really too soft, but we didn’t discuss the option of the combikit in depth. 

What do you think, would the combikit be enough for now? And would the stock shock be able to handle this? Or would it eventually ruin my stock shock?

If you aren't the type to be that demanding on their suspension then just changing springs might be exactly what you need.  I have used the Hyperpro combikit before and it was a nice improvement over stock and definitely helped with the front end dive as well as the rear. 

The beauty of having independent damping in each fork leg on the GT is the ability to "fine tune the damping" with different fork oil viscosities independently without one leg affecting the other.  For example, you could use 5w in the compression leg and 7.5 or 10w in the rebound leg depending if you wanted a more plush or controlled ride.


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IMHO, just spend money on the front first. I don’t think that the newer Tracer models will become as “unbalanced” as he is making it sound. 

quite frankly, the shock in the newer Tracer GT models is better than the shock we got in the original models (I have a 2015 for reference). 

If your weight is outside the 150-165 lb area, getting springs in the front for your weight/riding is a great first (and maybe only) step.

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I just got a quote for replacement of both front and rear springs. It will be 425 euro (503 dollar)  incl. fitting. It think I’ll go for that.

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49 minutes ago, Michiel900GT said:

I just got a quote for replacement of both front and rear springs. It will be 425 euro (503 dollar)  incl. fitting. It think I’ll go for that.

Sounds like the right plan.  The new springs will get the suspension nicely in the operating range for your weight.  Bike will be nicely balanced.

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