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I really like Motul Moto Wash for wheel cleaning. Works well without too much elbow grease, and is apparently biodegradableI gave mine a bath...
So everyone, what do you use to get the chain lube/crud off of the rear wheel?
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The interesting part is that dealers seem to be exercising their discretion on whether or not they verify the noise. As I mentioned earlier, first dealer I talked to insisted on not only listening to the bike, but having a tech put a stethoscope to it to be SURE there was abnormal cam chain noise, before they would even order the parts. Second dealer took my word for it and just ordered the parts and scheduled the service upon my first phone call to them. Interestingly enough, after getting it done, their repair order said 'customer reported CCT noise', and nothing about them verifying it themselves... which leads me to believe that Yamaha doesn't really care how thoroughly it's been verified, and dealers are going out of their way to avoid doing it.
NEGATIVE. They do not have to replace unless its noisy!Bruceintucson is right duhs10, they have to replace it regardless of whether it's failing or not. That dude is playing you for a fool just like many dealers have been doing to other fj owners. I have to wonder how much of peoples time these dipshets have wasted with this bring it in and will listen to it crap. I think you need to call this guy back and have another talk with him, and don't be so polite this time.
That's why this is a Technical Service Bulletin. It's NOT a recall!
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YESSSSS. I keep hoping they'll replace the R6 with a CP3 variant, and since Supersport regulations allow 675cc triples, they could do that displacement like the Triumph Daytona and have a much more usable street bike. But if they simply de-stroked the current motor it would be even more oversquare (it's 78mm x 59.1mm I believe), so they'd probably sleeve the bore down a bit as well to get in that displacement range.I'd suspect Yamaha will use this CP3 engine on many bikes into the future. It would be AMAZING as a 600cc engine, de-stroked to nearly square bore, and stronger valve springs, lighter valves, and a RPM limit of say 15,000 RPM. Screaming power on top, while it would have class beating low end tourqe v/s the other 600's out there.
And for more power? Bore it out, go to max stroke, move the piston pin up into the oil rings with longer rods and a total displacement of say 1000 or even 1100cc... Would be monster in a "touring" bike, Razors and Snowmobiles. Low end grunt is everything on most of those, and this engine is light, narrow and very powerful for it's size/weight. The bigger displacement would have a RPM limit of 9k or so, but who needs more with the low end power gains where most folks need the power in these types of vehicles/motorcycles?
They actually already have a 998cc three cylinder in the YXZ1000R side-by-side (SO MUCH WANT); it's 80.0mm x 66.2mm and revs to 10,500 RPM. Don't know for sure but I'd bet money it's based on the 847cc CP3 motor. Obviously servicing and emissions requirements are different for a side-by-side than a street motorcycle... but most of the work is already done for them!
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That's fair, and I didn't mean to call you out or anything. I just think it's more honest for the dealer to read between the lines and make the customer whole by replacing a part that Yamaha has already admitted is faulty. Maybe "honest" is the wrong word. But since there's no prescribed method to verify the noise described in the TSB, a dealer could take the customer's statement about noise as sufficient verification.I'm as hard or harder on dealers than anybody. I don't use them and won't be using them for this issue even though mine is is on the list. I'm fine with being on a different wavelength but I'm not going to type up paragraphs and try to attribute them to you. "verify", "not all units will need to be replaced" etc. Either they did or didn't.
I, too, like to avoid dealer service as much as possible... but my CCT needs to be replaced so this case is a rare exception for me B-|
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OK so in your view...
One dealer was honest and the other was not. I'm not sure that would drive my decision even when it's in my favor.Couldn't agree more. Really I'm frustrated with Yamaha for not simply making this a recall, rather than a TSB. But even as a TSB, they shouldn't have included verbiage stating 'verify noise is present and persistent, as not all tensioners will need to be replaced'... because the bottom line is it's a faulty part, and it's just a matter of time before it fails.
In any case, I don't see what a dealer has to gain from holding out on this for owners with intermittent (and surely worsening) CCT noise. The dealer from which I bought the bike (as well as my last new bike and $1000s in parts in the last 2 years) was giving me the run-around and now they've lost my business for at least the foreseeable future.
The other dealer that took my word on it and simply verified my VIN was included? They've gained a customer.
Honest dealer:
'We need to listen to the bike and hear the noise before we'll order the parts. No appointment required.'
'Okay we've heard the noise now, and verified that your VIN is affected by the TSB, but you need to schedule an appt. to come back and have a tech listen to the bike with a stethoscope before we will order the parts. Soonest appt will be 3 weeks out. Then it will take who knows how long to get the parts and schedule the service, so all-in-all you'll need to minimize your riding for the next ~6 weeks of prime riding season.'
Dishonest dealer:
'I am familiar with that TSB. I've confirmed that your bike has the faulty CCT, and you've confirmed that you're hearing noise. I'll order the parts and get the service scheduled now.'
You and I are on two completely different wavelengths...
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Couldn't agree more. Really I'm frustrated with Yamaha for not simply making this a recall, rather than a TSB. But even as a TSB, they shouldn't have included verbiage stating 'verify noise is present and persistent, as not all tensioners will need to be replaced'... because the bottom line is it's a faulty part, and it's just a matter of time before it fails.
Kudos to the dealer. The point really should be that if the VIN checks out, then replace the bloody part. Having the customer wait until the part fails (noise is the part failing) is just wrong, and given that the part isn't an expensive item and doesn't require a major surgery to replace... no reason to be this difficult.Mine was ordered without being listened to first...
Not all people are equally able to pickup on strange noises coming from an engine, so inevitably some will let things go too long, and then what?
In any case, I don't see what a dealer has to gain from holding out on this for owners with intermittent (and surely worsening) CCT noise. The dealer from which I bought the bike (as well as my last new bike and $1000s in parts in the last 2 years) was giving me the run-around and now they've lost my business for at least the foreseeable future.
The other dealer that took my word on it and simply verified my VIN was included? They've gained a customer.
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I think you meant to say because it is a TSB and not a recall.I'll say it again- it is NOT the dealership's fault. Because it is a TSB and NOT a bulletin, dealers cannot simply replace a tensioner that isn't making noise. They will NOT be paid by Yamaha for the cost of the parts and labor unless the repairs are justified.
And yes, they have ways of checking.
Sorry that upsets you, 502Mad. But your dealership is doing the right thing.
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Either way I see what you're saying, but... how does Yamaha corporate know whether a service tech heard the CCT noise or not? The TSB doesnt specify anything about audio recordings, or even detailed procedures to verify the noise is present. I think that if Yamaha really did have a way to know that service techs were truly checking for noise, we wouldn't have all these examples of dealers taking the owner's word for it.
I've started to get CCT noise pretty consistently, and I talked to two dealerships in my area. One was unwilling to even order the parts until a technician could put a stethoscope to my bike to verify CCT noise. The other was happy to order the parts and make an appointment without hearing the bike first. I'm sure you can guess which dealer will be getting my business going forward.
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That loud squeal you're referencing is actually the bike's clutch basket, and not related to the CCT. CCT noise is more of a fast clack/chain slap sound coming from the right side.
My early 2016 squeals loudly for the first 10 minutes and then is quieter (although still kind of rattly). It did not do that new and the demo bike did not do that.Had the new tensioner installed at the dealer. I didn't have any symptoms on the Orginal one. Now when cold till the bike is good and warmed up I have noise. Then it's quiet. I think I'm going back to the dealer to see if it needs tweaking....
Deal says thats the way it is. Says it takes an act of god for Yamaha to pay for replacing a cct and they have only done it one one fz-09.
Even with ear plugs it kind of bothers me.
There seems to be no cure for the loud clutch basket chirping, just a quirk of this bike (and the FZ-09... not sure about the XSR900 since it has the assist/slipper clutch).
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With all due respect, your opinion on this matter is pretty far from the facts about ABS. This is about as comprehensive a breakdown as you'll find of ABS functionality on modern motorcycles: <http://www.therideadvice.com/abs-motorcycles-vs-non-abs-motorcycles-need-motorcycle-abs/>
I personally feel when the abs is triggered you're only getting maybe 70% braking power. I just don't feel like the technology is better than a human hand, not yet anyway. But again just my opinion, to each there own.I understand wanting to have a bike in its pure form without having as many of the electronics.. but how does ABS make a bike dangerous?
I'll admit that the pulsing feel at the rear lever (haven't locked up the front myself yet) is a little... disconcerting... and if you prefer the tactile sensation of fully locking your tires up when you exceed available grip, then go for it, but please be weary of spreading misinformation to other riders here... especially in matters of riding safety.
{US} Tech Bulletin M2016-004 Cam Chain Tensioner Noise
in FJ-09 Known issues and solutions
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