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  1. 11 hours ago, Ride365 said:

    I like and have much respect for HD, that particular model isn't my cup of tea, but can see the merit and reasons as to why you like it. My buddy is sure loving his new Pan America "Dirt glide" as he calls it, definitely quite a machine and very well designed and reputable.

    Motorcycling is a top-tier hobby because there's a bike for everyone; and in some cases many bikes for one😁

    I hope "Dirt glide" sticks, it's a great nickname, and one seemingly given out of affection.

    It's a shame Harley stopped making the FXR, they clearly knew how important the model was, as it was brought back in 1999 to launch their CVO program. Also, I don't understand cutting the highly anticipated Bronx we were supposed to have by now. I don't see the long-term vision of their latest leadership, but I am watching with great interest.

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  2. Go see a doctor? This can be anything from Raynaud's, poor circulation (caused by number of things), vibration sensitivity, or early symptoms of a fatal blood clot; blood flow issues is not something I'd put off getting checked out.

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    My wife has that condition, it looks exactly the same.  It doesn't have to be really cold for it to happen, but her hands will be white and FREEZING.

    I think the original poster's picture is the Mayo Clinic image, not of his actual finger so no way to verify until we get an image; also I'm not a doctor, but Raynaud's should affect all digits yeah? - OP only has this issue with one finger, go to the doctor.

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  3. Not sure how many V-twin fans we got in here, but the FXR line from Harley is my personal favorite bike of all time and most people seem to enjoy a dose of retro/vintage so I'll share my recent pickup.

    Quick history lesson if for those interested in why FXR models are special: History of the Harley Davidson FXR

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    Unfortunately, this didn't come with the factory quick-detach windscreen and saddle bags so it's *only* an FXRS Sport. Also, don't understand what happened with the seating situation - stock seat, aftermarket pillion, aftermarket sissy bar, stock pillion pad?? - but all the other good stuff is here: dual discs up front, air ride front suspension (handlebars are the air reservoir! Thanks Erik Buell), 13" rear suspension, and of course the handmade stiffened frame with 45 degrees of lean.

    Zero leaks, electronics work as they should, runs well all things considered. Original owner chopped off the cross pipe on the OE headers (why?) and welded the holes, I have an OEM system ordered to remedy that. Will probably take it to a local shop to have a performance cam dropped in, you can get these engines to 75-80hp without sacrificing any reliability.

    I used to have a 1985 FXRS that I restored and sold, it was a huge PITA to source parts. But since then apparently the FXR scene has exploded, especially on the West Coast. There are many business now that make replica parts, replacement parts, or even just have an online shop dedicated to finding scrapped FXRs and stripping them to sell the parts. The frames alone are sought after as you can make a nice hotrod from scratch.

    The popularity resurgence is enough that Erik Buell is making a modern version based on the same frame: https://www.buellmotorcycle.com/super-cruiser

    I have a lot of parts and accessories on order, I'll post final pics when I have it in what I consider a finished state.

    Thanks for reading 😎

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  4. 3 hours ago, quaxum said:

    Are these the T32s that came with the T9GT?

    If they are, it is widely documented (Can refer to this) that the tyres are inferior quality compared to those bought off the shelves.

    I hope this helps.

    This can be the case but isn't always; will vary by market, bike model, and manufacturer. Also, the inferior factor should primarily be tread depth rather than performance. Unless the contracted producer is just completely disregarding compound formulation supplied by the designer. Otherwise you'd risk losing customers, like this thread lol 😆

    Rule of thumb should be to always check the sidewall of a new bike to see country of origin, plant code, and then look up the part # to see if you get the complete version of the tire or a reduced version shipped with new bikes.

    Examples:
    Bridgestone P/N 11450 & 11502 are the same S22 tire, one is the aftermarket and the other is the OE that ships on bikes.

    I think Dunlop tires have "OE" in the part number to designate that it's specifically made to ship with new bikes. Coincidentally, in my experience Dunlop OE tires are absolute trash and they are probably the worst offender at this due to the sheer volume of new bikes that come equipped with their rubber.

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  5. On 5/3/2024 at 6:00 AM, Ride365 said:

    Gorgeous unit......that's a keeper, must be too loud or something? My Delkevic full system with baffle in isn't loud at all IMHO, but with baffle out it makes sexy noise. GLWS and helluva price!!!!

    I think it's perfect volume with the db killer in. But local law enforcement is cracking down on the noise pollution. Understandably so though, there are so many people in my area with straight pipes it's astounding, both cruisers and sport bikes. They spend the day going up and down main street rev bombing for attention.

    Without the DB killer in there's a bit more growl but it gets significantly louder especially noticeable when riding on a main street between buildings.

    In my book it's up there in sound with a carbed Harley Evo, or a K5 Gixxer with a Yosh. 

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  6. Only the best. Took this off of my 2015 FJ09 after it was totaled due to engine damage. Only got in one road trip to Pittsburgh and back on it, so very low use before I pulled, basically like new. Comes with all hardware, instructions, and original box. Spring is for a 185lb rider, can crank up the preload for luggage and pillion. 

    This is also compatible with the 1st and 2nd generations of FZ09/MT09 (2014-20) & XSR900 (16-21) according to Ohlin's website. If you have any friends who might be interested send them this post 😁

    Asking $700 shipped contiguous US48.



     

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  7. 9 minutes ago, draco_1967 said:

    How old are the tires? 

    I never had that feeling on my T32s. They always felt very good in the wet. Where are you located? Some places use different road surfaces that get very slick in the rain. I lived in Jordan for a couple of months, and it rained once. The roads felt like ice rinks! 

    Adding to this: do the roads you ride have agricultural/industrial equipment driven on them regularly? Rain will spread oils that normally pool in one spot.

    I'd be very surprised if the tires are the issue, the Bridgestone's T3x series is pretty universally loved.

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  8. Dainese Hydra Flux D-Dry Mesh Jacket size 50 for sale. Absolutely wonderful jacket, one of the best I've ever owned. Just don't fit in it anymore.

    It is euro cut, it fits similar to a "tailored-fit" dress shirt (more relaxed than slim fit, but tighter than normal fit). Also, this has Dainese hard armor rather than the polyurethane stuff. The snap-in rain liner is unfinished, which means it's a little scratchy, but it packs down very small.

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    Please ignore the white cat hair in the pics, will go over the jacket with a lint roller prior to shipping 🙂

    Asking $75 shipped.

  9. Klim gloves don't have the double-cuff you're looking for, but many of them have a cinch-down at the end of the gauntlet that might work for you. Take a look through their catalogue.

     

    Klim Togwotee gloves may be a good shot, just a Gore-Tex shell with a removable liner.

  10. Timing on this thread is incredible. Combination of years at a desk job with questionable posture, and long sessions on the motorcycle, I've started developing some C8 nerve pain in neck and arm, with tingling in my 5th digit. Doctor gave me some steroids for and told me to get my posture sorted and incorporate neck exercises into my workouts.

    In the meantime, I'll be wearing a soft collar around the house occasionally for some extra support until the neck muscles strengthen. But I was thinking about picking up a helmet support like the following: Adult Neck Brace | Motorcycle, Motocross, ATV, Skiing | Bohn Body Armor (bohnarmor.com), seems like it'd offer both comfort and safety in my case.

    Might look a bit goofy, but that just means I need to pass people faster so they don't get a good glance 😄

    But more on-topic: I think I'd definitely wear neck protection if I were riding hard in an off-road course with variable terrain that increases the odds of having lateral force applied to the head if I crash, or in racing an automobile where I'm strapped to the seat so any momentum keeps my head moving without my body. I think for motorcycling on roads or tracks I'd opt for an air bag solution rather than a neck brace, which might be a near purchase for me since the tech is becoming reasonably priced and simple to use.

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  11. 7 hours ago, Smokamoto said:

    Sticking with the stock exhaust, or a different system?

    I've been running the Akrapovic Racing Line Carbon for roughly 5,000mi now and love it, definitely a top 5 exhaust sound for me; with the dB killer in it is perfect.

    I might go back to stock this season -or try to snag a deal on the Akra system with the catalytic converter-, cops in my area have really been cracking down on the noise laws here. A lot of straight-pipe cruise riders and street-Rossi bros in my area rev bombing at stop lights have made local law enforcement take a zero-tolerance policy to noise pollution from vehicles.

    That behavior has ruined it for the rest of us 😐

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  12. I have a Dominator Titanium HP8 EX full exhaust system with dB killer for sale, compatible with Gen 3 Tracers:

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    Used for about 400mi but it's too loud for me. Great tone and quality welds all around, really enjoyed how it looked on the bike. Does have one small ding on the muffler shown in the picture above. Comes with the original box and all installation parts necessary. I marked the headers and mid-pipe with tape and color indicators for which header goes into which hole. Installation instructions will need to be downloaded from Dominator's website. dB Killer installed in the muffler already.

    $475 - shipped contiguous 48 U.S. states.

    A couple of my seller profiles below for credibility: 
    eBay profile: https://www.ebay.com/usr/09jthayer?_tab=1
    Swappa profile: https://swappa.com/user/BEF001/profile

  13. 25 minutes ago, piotrek said:

    Appreciate your feedback on KM1 tires. Have you had any time in the wet and/or loaded for touring? I am seeing these tires priced low up here in Ontario... and I will be looking to replace Dunlop Mutants soon. They were great value last year... but no more. Roadsmart 3 are runner-up, at some 40% premium.

    I don't really care for my tires to last longer than a season (~10K-12K kms)... and actually prefer to start with a new set each year rather than have to deal with replacement mid-season... so this might work out well.

    Lots of wet riding over the winter and even yesterday. I never had any "oh shit" wiggles in corners or uncontrollable spins from a stop; I would say wet performance is par for the class, I never felt like I was at the limits of the tire. TCS came up once when I was trying to put down more power on top of a crosswalk paint line, but that's my fault.

    I never fully loaded the bike up on the KM1s, hopefully I can do that this season for camping. I did a couple of overnight trips with loaded top and side cases but left the passenger seat empty. I did increase the rear preload but did not increase PSI to compensate for load and that probably ate up some tire life, and if I recall correctly did weigh the steering down a bit so I had to give it a bit more muscle in corners if I wanted to carry speed through.

    The VFR thread I linked in a previous post has some detail for interstate touring if you want to look at that.

    Actually, now on my 2nd read through of the VFR thread... is that the same @RaYzerman as on this forum? 😄

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  14. Alright ladies and gents, after riding through a NW Ohio winter into an early spring season the rear is done at ~4500mi:

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    I'm extremely happy with these, nothing has changed since my last review except that they are impressively fast to warm up. 36F and sunny? No problem. Chicken strips are 3/8-inch to 1/4-inch all the way around:

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    The guy on the VFR forum got a documented 14,000mi out of his rear. But he also primarily toured and ran the pressures of 42R/36F, both of those will buy him more life; even more so if he's doing interstate touring on paved asphalt.

    My tires lived at 36R/32F for grip, and my miles were 90% hard recreational riding in my area and all-around Appalachia. Scooter takes care of grocery and in-town duty, and I have worked remote since 2018 so I've eliminated the need to commute. Also, nearly every back road in my area is all chip-sealed rather than pavement, it definitely accelerates tire wear. I would bet money on nicer roads and higher PSI these are a 6K-8K mile tire for the average person.

    I'm also impressed with the wear pattern, that's a pretty round tire, evenly worn, and it's stable up to 140MPH tested, and the wobbling at that point comes from the bike aero rather than the tires.

    Front looks about 40-60% remaining depending on where I'm measuring:
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    They're $160/set on Motosport.com currently. A rear on its own is $90.99, so you could get 9,000mi from 2 rears and 1 front riding like a knob like me and still only be at ~$270.00. They clearly perform, I have another rear being mounted by the shop as I'm typing this. I'll run higher pressures (likely 39R/35F) with the new tire to experience handling and lifespan changes.

    It's probably the only tire I'm going to buy going forward, with Dunlop and Michelin playing in the $500 range, and Bridgestone's rebate is now $60 instead of the old $100 it's not just "saving a buck or two" anymore.

    Only negative I can think of is that I can't run my Givi rear mudguard for the rain and winter slush because Kenda's solution to increasing mileage on a tire made out of a single, soft, and sticky compound it just to give you a lot of rubber in the center of the rear tire.

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  15. If you want to avoid taking it to the dealership and save some money on labor, it just looks like you're missing the nut and the collar that attaches the angular position sensor to the swing arm. You want parts 14 & 15 in this diagram:

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    Drop the collar - part 14 - into the rear fender circle in your picture, then you want to use part 15 to screw the position sensor rod bracket on top of the fender, securing it to the swing arm; from bottom to top: swing arm, fender, sensor rod. There will be a groove traced into the swingarm that the "hook" in the shift linkage should fit nicely into:

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    There is a slight raised portion/projection "b" on the swing arm, the hook "a" of the bracket should be touching "b".

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  16. 44 minutes ago, 2and3cylinders said:

    I'm going to sound as my youngest daughter says like a grumpy old white man

    Let's call his vid a joke and stop being so esoteric scientific and cynical and move on🤫

    No, it's 2024 let me be outraged at everything 🤪

     

    26 minutes ago, bwringer said:

    Thanks for doing the digging into that "horse girl" crack, @jthayer09 .

    And yeah, that last bit about selling airbags is a little problematic. Just go in with your eyes open as to his motivations; at least the Helite airbag system is legitimately a very good bit of kit. He's selling, but he's not selling snake oil at least.

     

    Still, there were a lot of useful points, so let's not throw the baby out with the bath water.

    Yes, better armor from the factory in riding gear sure would be pretty darn nice, and you can't deny that airbag gear can be pretty dang useful. 

    However, there is better armor available through the aftermarket (he sort of skips over this fact), and high-end brands like Klim often include better armor in their gear. (My Klim jacket uses D30, for example.)

    He also made the point that armor should be sized to the person, which I definitely agree with. The CE regs don't seem to adequately address this; as an XXL sort of person, I'd certainly like to buy armor that is sized for my limbs and weight, and the greater forces with which I hit the ground.

    My fiancée rides horses so it is something I already had some research on previously. The equestrian community takes safety very seriously, it's impressive. But I guess that makes sense when what you're riding can think and act on its own.

    Indeed, Helite's products are top notch and - in my opinion - can stand on their own merit. I already want their MOOV airbag backpack without being misled about the safety of motorcycle armor.

    CE sizing is a pain. When I did my upgrades: I ordered Axial AX2 Air pads, and they are size B elbow protectors, but all of my jackets are size A pockets except for one garment; it worked out in the end but now I have 3 jackets with upgraded armor instead of the 2 that I originally planned. I do wish more manufacturers would just list size A, B, or C (C is comically large) to make it easier. The compromise is that it seems manufacturers make armor pockets to fit D3O measurements for size A, except for RevZilla/CycleGear in-house brands: those all look to be size B pockets.

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  17. 6 hours ago, bwringer said:

    Yeah, that one-take was EPIC.

     

    The core of this video was expressed in this near-throwaway statement at about 1:09:

    "Horse girls get body armor certified to that 4KN threshold, so why is our motorcycle stuff two to four times weaker?"

    Start at about :52 for context:

    But his core statement is also disingenuous - and I think intentionally so, because he's shilling to sell more Helite airbags. The <4kN rating for equestrian gear he mentions is specifically for chest and body protectors; Ryan conveniently doesn't mention that. He's intentionally comparing motorcycle shoulder armor (most amount of force allowed) to equestrian body protector (least amount of force allowed). He also doesn't mention that Equestrian gear is certified under EN13158 which has different testing methods than what motorcycle gear is certified under: EN1621.

    If you compare the same body zones to each other, the narrative changes:
    Motorcycle: CE EN1621 level 2 (Limbs, Hips, Shoulders): <9 kN
    Equestrian: BETA level 3 shoulders (follows CE EN13158 standards) : <25 kN (60J)

    If you're curious to EN13158 testing and methods (it's very different than testing motorcycle gear) I'll leave it up the reader to find a PDF online. But here's a table of the forces allowed by EN13158 to back up my number above:
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    Level 2 motorcycle shoulder armor is objectively better than equestrian shoulder armor, huh. What gives Ryan?

    Equestrian gear is designed bulky and thick because it's supposed to be worn as outerwear over top of your clothing. If he compared external motorcycle armor worn over clothing instead of pad inserts, I would put money that it tests similarly - if not better - to equestrian gear. Ryan briefly shows us an example of a back protector that exceeds the standard but of course doesn't test it or provide us with a technical data sheet.

    Of course, the solution to this "problem" that he poses is to toss your pads and buy the Helite airbag that F9 sells.

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  18. 1 hour ago, miweber929 said:

     

    His content is pushing even more towards “shock” than fact in recent times.
     

    I’ve said it before: not sure why everyone takes what he says as gospel just because he presents up things in a slightly condescending and smirky tone. He’s a shill for a company that sells powersports products, making videos to drive viewers to his channel and therefore the company. His content and info aren’t any more reliable than a Revzilla “review” is and his “facts” are his opinion. 

    Yup, their videos used to be spaced further apart so it wasn't quite as apparent or at least more forgivable.

    He took a decent amount of crap for his recent video covering parallel twin 270-degree engines, that's filled with "opinions as fact" as you stated. I don't think he's made a public response yet. I believe years ago he also did a video regarding what the best chain lube is best, and his testing methods were very questionable, and he never revisited; he even showed another Youtuber's tests and showed that he got wildly different results... I remember rolling my eyes at that one.

    He tries to present scientific data without actually following the scientific method. Like this video in question, citing a source because one line of the study agrees with his opinion without reading the actual study. It's like he started with his opinion first then searched for sources that would agree with his take and wrote a script around it. Starting with the solution and then finding a question that fits, if you will; and it bit him this time.

    The cinematography and production on the videos are still wildly top-tier quality, so people including myself will still watch; the single take is phenomenal. But if you take a look around, we're not the only people starting to raise our eyebrows at what Ryan's saying.
     

    1 hour ago, kilo3 said:

    Enshittification. His non shill videos USED to be just a side project to fill content when it was just the two of them.
    I still wonder how much they got for the T7 video from mother yamaha.

    Oh man, I bet Helite has Ryan F9 on payroll at this point.

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  19. 1 hour ago, kilo3 said:

    The entire point of the video was that fractures are a quantifiable number and can be used as a solid data point to further elaborate on the lack of/development of "better" protection from the majority of the textile crowd, then goes to suggest said better protection at the end.

    Agreed on trying to find a quantifiable number; but, fractures aren't the only injuries worth avoiding while riding. Sliding is a big part of motorcycle accidents, not everything is an impact or crash with another object. He specifically cherry-picked fractures to make a point... a point that is not founded in any basis as I'll elaborate on below.

    If you read the source that Ryan cites in the video, he is lying (or misrepresenting at best) about armor effectiveness:

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    And in the conclusion section of the paper:

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    The most important result relates to the contribution of body armour, which was associated with substantial reductions in the risk of any injury in crashes when other factors such as speed and type of impact were controlled. This is the first evidence of the effectiveness of body armour from crash studies

    The paper he cited says "No association between use of body armour and risk of fracture injuries was detected."? Of course, because fractures are a very rare occurrence on their own already, they do not occur enough to be statistically relevant.

    Here's the chart from the study if you didn't want to read it. Notice that the whole fractures column on the right has "NS" for not statistically significant due to lack of data; with leg & back fractures just straight up being "NA".

    This has to be an April Fool's joke from F9, it's one thing to be wrong... it's another to directly cite a source and make the opposite conclusion.

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  20. I just watched this and while I like F9 and their videos, presenting this as an "all or nothing" scenario is weird to me.

    There are various degrees of injury; hell, there are varying degrees of fractures too. But Ryan presents this weird argument of "bones break at 4kN of force, so if it doesn't reduce force down to 4kN then it's not doing anything".

    The testing method for CE is dropping a 5Kg ball on the armor and measuring the force that gets through. The improvement from CE level 1 to 2 is massive, a 50% reduction in force allowed. That is seriously impressive improvement from 18kN to 9kN, and many pads do claim they go beyond this spec (he does mention this).

    There are many of injuries I would not want before a fracture is even in the picture, and even if it won't stop a fracture: if it takes a lethal force and reduces it to a major/minor injury, it's still worth the cost.

    He also doesn't talk about materials improvement: many CE level 2 armors these days are using a squishy compressible polyurethane that is non-noticeable in a garment. Or they're using a hard composite with a hex/weave structure so it can change form such as D3O's ghost series. Gone are the days of hard, bulky, uncomfortable foam garbage; I've personally upgraded my 3 main jackets to all CE level 2 pads, and it is a major comfort improvement from the stuff my jackets came with. Two of the jackets I don't feel the armor there at all.

    It's just such a weird take from F9. Like I'd still rather have 9kN of force hitting me than whatever the starting value was, even if it results in a fracture on impact area, the force reduction is still doing tons of work to the surrounding body parts. You'll only get a fracture on the impact area rather than also sustaining injuries behind and around the impact. Also, a big benefit of force absorption is stopping you from bouncing after the initial hit, which Ryan F9 does not talk about at all.

    EDIT: Was trying to think of the fallacy while writing the above post and it just popped into my head: Survivorship bias or survival bias is the logical error of concentrating on entities that passed a selection process while overlooking those that did not. This can lead to incorrect conclusions because of incomplete data.

    Sure, you'll still get a fracture or broken bone, but what about all the other injuries that didn't happen because of your armor that aren't showing up in statistics because well... they didn't happen. Like how the US WW2 helmets were so effective at preventing a fatal headshot that we recalled them due to how many hospitals were overwhelmed by head injuries. It took us a while to realize that it means the helmets were working.

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  21. 18 hours ago, Birkdale10 said:

    First, about the helmet and the stock saddlebag.  I appreciate the folks that said, yes, a helmet will fit.  However, the XD4 has a bill.  It does not fit in the saddlebag with the bill.  And...yes, I can take off the bill.  But I'm not going to do that every time I get off the bike and want to put the helmet in the saddlebag.  That's on me, I know it.  But I need saddlebags that hold my helmet.  "My" helmet.

    Second - two excellent suggestions for a trunk.  I'm going to get one of those - not sure which one yet.

    But...replacement saddlebags?  Anybody know of any?

    Search Tracer 9 GT sidecases and take a look at what's available. I personally really like the OEM sidecases on the T9 so I haven't had any urge to swap it out. If you're getting a new trunk that will hold your helmet, do you still need to swap out your sidecases? If you're curious, SHAD is the manufacturer of the OEM cases.

    SHAD and Givi are the two premier brands. I'd strongly suggest deciding which top case you like best and buy the sidecases and mounting hardware from the same brand as to ensure compatibility between side case and top case mounts.

    Givi: MY MOTORCYCLE - YAMAHA TRACER-9--TRACER-9-GT--TRACER-9-GT-21--23 - Givi

    SHAD: SHAD Products for Yamaha Tracer 9/GT | SHAD USA

    There are other brands like Hepco & Becker and SW-Motech who have great products but haven't been in the luggage game quite as long as SHAD or Givi.

    I assume if you purchase aftermarket sidecases and hardware, you will have to remove the factory mounts, keep that in mind.

  22. 21 hours ago, kyle J said:

    I'm leaning towards the 2020 tracer 900 gt , there is one for sale near me only 1500 km on it .

    I would definitely b e replacing the wind screen , any suggestions?

    Cheapest solutions first: $20-$30 windscreen extension/spoiler should be your first stop before buying an entirely new windscreen. It eliminated buffeting from the stock screen for me, this will vary from person to person due to height and riding posture.

    As far as vibrations go, you can just replace the stock footpegs with the rubber topped pegs from the FJR1300. They're like $10-20 on Amazon or eBay, or the Yamaha adventure pegs if you want to stay OEM. Handlebar vibrations didn't bother me on the 2015 but I did ride with MT09 bar end weights in the summer and handguards taken off which may have helped.

    Between the 2015 and 2020 models you're looking at I think it's worth the $2000 for the 2020. The 2015 without a tune is not smooth since it was developed in the early days of ride by wire. It also doesn't have factory cruise control hookups or a slipper clutch. It was basically an MT09 on stilts with a reinforced subframe. The 2nd gen Tracers (2018-20) gave the lineup a lot more value than the 1st gen: a longer wheelbase for passenger and luggage, slipper clutch (2017 MY onwards). Also, factory cruise control, heated grips, and luggage with the GT model. If you buy the 2020 model, you'll get the slipper clutch as well as be able to stay OEM for cruise control if you want to add that in the future.

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  23. Have you looked into Honda's NC750X? 

    Less power and speed than the Tracer but larger than the CB500X. Very tame ride with 70+ mpg, and a modest redline. The gas tank is located under the seat which means you get a front-trunk for storage where a normal gas tank would be.

    I owned an NC700X for a few years before I bought my 2015 FJ09, phenomenal bike and the newer updated NC750X seems worth a look.

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