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1 hour ago, Ride365 said:

Bless your heart.........

 

Urban Dictionary: Bless your heart

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The most Southern 'phuck you' there is. Can be put at the end of a...

 

I want to apologize. You and some of the others here are getting your info from places like Urban Dictionary and I finally put 2 and 2 together. It’s not that you don’t understand that the Yamaha parts are fine, it’s just that you are uninformed and don’t know any better. You believe anything you read.....a few say it’s bad so the part is bad, again it’s just you don’t know any better. I’m sorry the system failed you, maybe one day you will figure it out but it’s pretty clear you can’t.....sorry. 

51 minutes ago, Ride365 said:

Damn you must be a real joy to hang around LOL, truth is you are also making assumptions.  I see that most here now are ignoring you, I mean we are supposed to be here helping/learning from each other instead of being snarky and cynical all the time. 👌

Yet you keep replying so it must mean that you like me a lot. Although I’m very flattered I’m not that kind of guy, sorry if that hurts your feelings. Possibly a google search can help you out in your future endeavors, good luck and I hope you find what you’re looking for. 

3 hours ago, Ride365 said:

There is obviously a big enough issue for this to occur on multiple models of bikes using the same blocks, so yeah there is obviously something to it. I dare say it's mostly due to the outrageous torque setting, I won't be going over 70 ft lbs myself. Douchebaggery to assume this is only occurring to unskilled owners who shouldn't be wrenching on their bikes, but hey it's the internet and everyone is tough as hell and brave on the internet.......just sayin.

You make the point better than I ever could. Assuming owners are skilled mechanics is a bigger mistake than assuming they aren’t, most don’t know which way is tight and which is loose. 

I would almost bet I have the lowest IQ on this forum and I’m definitely the biggest d bag on here. Now who can argue with that? Reverend!

3 minutes ago, Junkie said:

I'm saying that the part number for the axle nut is the same for the FJ09 as the FZ07, 90185-18009-00. It's easy to look at a parts fiche and figure this out. If you order an axle nut for either, you get the exact same part. 

No matter what the part, there are always manufacturing tolerances and therefore any given part has a quality range. Different axle blocks end up at different hardnesses, different fits vs the axle, different axle nuts lock at different torque values. It's entirely possible for most combinations to be tolerable, but some to fail due to no fault of the owner or any mechanic who touches it. If that happens when all of the parts are in spec, that's a design failure. If it happens with all OEM parts and some aren't in spec, it's a manufacturing failure.

Do I know that that's the case here? No, unlike you, who knows that Yamaha is perfect and could never possibly make a mistake. I'm sure they've never had a single recall or warranty claim either, as they've never had a single design or manufacturing failure. 

This guy gets it. 😁

3 minutes ago, Junkie said:

Where did I say that it worked for it's designed purpose? It's possible that the nut refused to loosen and things had to be cut off. 

 

Given that there are apparently many stories of the FZ07 part failing the very first time it comes off, and it uses the same axle nut, it sounds to me like there's a failure at the design or manufacture phase.

You just did again, it works or EVERYONE would be replacing it. Pretty sure that’s not the case and it’s FJ09 Tracer not FZ07. Are you saying they have the exact same parts and if so you know this because you work for Yamaha? If that’s the case then why have you not informed them of this terrible design flaw? Or perhaps it looks the same so that means it is the same? Hamburger 

36 minutes ago, Junkie said:

betoney's block clearly deformed when it was being loosened. it's entirely possible that he did nothing wrong. 

If that was his first time removing then yes but that just means someone else messed up. The block as you say works for it’s designed purpose, it’s not perfect but what is? 

57 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

I would describe myself as Curious. And I consider Curiosity a positive attribute.

I got my motorcycle license in 1972, and had been riding 3 years before that. I am 65.

I think anyone reading this has a passion for motorcycles - and for me it is a curiosity about something I may not know. Something I can use to bring my skills to a higher level, as a rider or mechanic as I do all maintenance myself including tire changes, and complete engine rebuilds. Yet I have a strong conviction that there are things I don't know.

Snarky. One word sums it up. Snarky.

Unfortunately this person will not benefit from pearls of wisdom hidden here and there, due to lack of curiosity.

Vintage motorcycles have an exposed hex head on one side of an axel, and a nut on the other that may have been overtightened by Godzilla at the factory, or prior owner. On older bikes you can put a 6 point socket on the hex head, a cheater bar with 6 point socket on the nut, and remove it without incident.

What we are talking about here are CAPTIVE designs where aluminum shoulders up against one 6 face of the nut. That aluminum in the photo was not as thick as the new design. With a captive design, the ability to put a socket on is gone.

The FZ07 forum has a large thread about these getting demolished when axel nuts are removed for the first time on fairly new bikes when getting first tire change. You assume the owner over torqued it, but when you assume things...

Why can’t people just admit they messed up instead of saying it’s an inferior design? Everyone makes mistakes and obviously this setup works for many who pay attention when they are torquing the nut. It’s not fool proof and nothing is.....the picture is worth a thousand words. He/she didn’t check that it was seated correctly before tightening, now you have a flaw caused only by Yamaha. It’s never the person doing the work 

1 hour ago, keithu said:

I try to avoid arguments on the Internet these days, but you are really talking out of your ass on this one. I've been a mechanic on F/A-18s, I am currently a technician on multi-million dollar industrial printers, and I've done maintenance and major repairs on countless cars and motorcycles over the last 35 years. This exact issue happened to me on my FJ-09.

If I made any mistake it was in following Yamaha's torque spec of 108 ft/lbs on the rear axle nut. I know many people believe that Yamaha's spec is ridiculously high, but due to my background in aviation maintenance I am always inclined to follow the manufacturer's spec. This is a pretty clear case of Yamaha providing a poor-quality part and/or giving bad info in their technical specs. 

Scary thought knowing that you have all that wisdom but still failed at not destroying something that others don’t. Now I know I’m a better wrench than an F/A 18 mechanic and a printer technician, wait till I tell my mom. As soon as I finish these Chips and salsa and this video game she’s going to hear how great I am. 

5 minutes ago, betoney said:

So why is your response to any topic always condescending? 

Yamaha makes a soft aluminum block to mate up to the steel axle and its the owners fault due to lack of mechanical skills when it deforms under pressure ... 🤷‍♀️ 

If you had taken a second to ask instead of jumping at the opportunity to treat someone like an ass you could have found that the issue isn't just with the FJ/Tracer, many other riders have had the same issue on the FZ/MT and XSR forums as well. 

Condescending? Because I say some shouldn’t work on their own bikes? If you over torque or improperly place bolts, screws or nuts it’s not Yamahas fault when they fail, break or strip. Guess now saying everyone isn’t a mechanic means I’m an ass, a condescending ass to be exact 

31 minutes ago, betoney said:

The factory axle block is garbage, that's why so many riders change it out for something of decent quality.

Some people shouldn’t work on things, l believe this is a great example of one of those people. I’ve never had an issue with mine and I’m sure most haven’t but to each their own. Probably the same bike has many stripped out bolts as well, being your own mechanic has rewards only if you have the ability. 

Factory stuff works just as good or in this case much better. 

1 hour ago, Your_Boy_Yuriy said:

Funny, I was reading my owners manual a couple days ago and it mentioned Y.E.S. Y.E.S does sounds awesome. However, I literally do all the work myself. Literally if the engine had some kind of failure I would fix it myself however OEM parts aren't cheap. That would only be the reason why I would buy Y.E.S. 

I would say if you're not mechanically inclined the extended warranty is worth it. Even if you are mechanically inclined I think its still worth the extra $500. 

Remember, Yamaha wouldn't offer something like this without being financially feasible. 

I'll trust that Yamaha engineers stress tested the components well beyond it useful lifecycle. But, that doesn't mean I wouldn't buy Y.E.S.

 

I’m confused, you would buy it or you will not buy it, literally which one is it? 

Never buy warranties, if the bike needs it then why buy the bike? Can an anomaly happen.....yes but........

I installed those pads on my bike and for about 50 miles they did the same with tightness and very noisy as well. Now all good, still a little noisy but nothing like when new, satisfied with the extra stopping power

7 hours ago, Louatlvc said:

Thanks guys. Just checked and I DO have the rubber insulated front sprocket. I don’t think PO ever had throttle sync done. I have a sync tool but only for twin. Just ordered one and I’ll sync this weekend. See what happens. The buzzyness is not a problem. Just foreign to what I’m used to coming from  parallel twins or in line fours.

Can’t you sync the 1 and 2 together them take hose 2 to 3 and sync to 1? Just axing

Sync your throttle bodies, it’s a 30 minute task, borrow a digi sync if you can

2 hours ago, 2and3cylinders said:

+1 but that's a little strong Stew...

Shut In Syndrome?  We had 25F degrees this AM, [removed political comment] Think we're under a little stress?

Check out the weather we're going to have here this week!  60076

But I'm in the waiting room for my colonoscopy, and on Wednesday I'm getting it front and back for the 2nd time in 3 weeks from my Urologist, then a cervical MRI where you wear a neck lock the same day.  So I hope I'm in shape to ride Thursday!

[removed political comment]

Probably takes longer to fill than make a quick stop for another, maybe most live in very remote areas where gas stations are 150 miles apart? 

Sorry I hurt a lot of feelings on this form. It seems “men” are more sensitive now than they used to be, I will try to tread lightly and not hurt feelings in the future
 

7 minutes ago, kilo3 said:

I think you're turning an unfair eye to the changes in motorcycles due to emissions over the years.
Maybe take look at today's automobiles for reference. A 2020 F150 has only a 4" narrower and much longer wheel base than an original Hummer H1. Not because they want to, but because emissions is based upon wheelbase. Heavy 8-10 speed transmissions? Not because it's better, but emissions. Start/stop technology that burns through starters like candy? Emissions. Dropping fuel to cylinders that cause all sorts of issues across all brands, yep emissions.

I really miss mini trucks, you know the ones that got 40 mpg and could haul a full sheet of plywood? Dead due to EPA.

Sure there are some positives that come out of it, like well, less emissions (depends on how the EPA measures it). The high uptake of turbos, but with this comes carbon build up from weeping valve seals, less reliability due to higher possibility of vac leaks, higher engine temps. Then you have electric cars coming up faster, batteries are getting better (although at the expense of mining), but with that comes increasing dependence on dealer only diagnostic software.  We could end up like John Deere did, with no one being able to even swap minor parts without the dealers computer and blessing.

If you really don't believe that emissions are taking a toll on modern motorcycling, I guess that's your right.There are people who believe that Elvis is still a alive and that the earth is flat.  I say live and let live, but when you start personally attacking others, that's where even the most tolerant draw the line.

Not everyone dies a saint, and some need an express lane to get there.

Correct, emissions have caused all kinds of problems. Now cars, trucks and motorcycles make far more horsepower than ever before and they last longer......sorry but I think after that post you maybe should take the express lane. Tolerant? It’s called triggered and it’s fun to watch. Emissions are killing vehicles, next you are going to say ufo technology is why Elon Musk is so successful. Nothing else can explain it so why not?

1 minute ago, iitywygms said:

He is either a troll or lacks the mental capacity to discuss issues without getting angry and insulting if you don't agree.

Ignore him.

 

My vote is metal capacity and I’m super angry because no one agrees with me. Wait, wasn’t that two insults from you? Glass houses????

3 minutes ago, betoney said:

There is no need to be insulting because he wants to modify the bike to his liking. 

The CP3 motor, since its inception has been universally known to have snatchy throttle delivery due to fuel cut and adhering to Euro emission standards.  Regardless of the forum you read, it has been endlessly discussed how bad the fueling is, to insult someone and tell them it is "them and not the bike" is just an asinine and uninformed comment.

You will find the same fueling experience with modern bikes on most motorcycle forums, it is DEFINITELY the bikes not the 10's of thousands of riders, did everyone suddenly become crappy riders?

You are correct and I apologize. We get better with age, weight gain and becoming slower. It’s proven, how many Olympic athletes are in their 40s now? Also it’s unheard of that the rider could be the problem with the bike, again you are correct......it’s always the bike. Insult? If what I said was taken as an insult then maybe someone needs a pamper change, sorry I upset your happy space. 

3 minutes ago, iitywygms said:

Looking through your post history I can see that confrontation is something you enjoy.  And using your logic no one should make modifications to a bike to make it better for themselves.  Change windscreen?  Noooo.  Change your riding style.  Put your head closer to the windscreen.  Ass get sore on the seat?  Dont change the seat.  Change your body.  Go ahead and keep on knocking people if it makes you feel good.  I will get the golden ticket because I have gotten it before with a little bit of research and work on my previous bikes.  You might get there someday if you relax a bit and take some advice from us "old school riders" .... Also facts.

Post it when you find it, and thanks for reading all of my post.....it means you care. 

1 minute ago, betoney said:

Except it does.  Snatchy throttle? ECU flash cures it.  Terrible suspension valving? a suspension upgrades fixes it.  Uncomfortable seat? a custom seat changes that.  You are 100% wrong in saying throwing money at the bike wont make it perfect for you. 

Then I assume you own the perfect bike and are completely 100% satisfied? I applaud you for accomplishing something that so many never find and never will. It could only mean that you will never sale the bike and no matter what change anything else about it, that’s a unicorn.