Larz

1 hour ago, betoney said:

Whatever their reasoning, remember that Yamaha did the same thing in 2018.  Yamaha did not release a 2018 Tracer in North America when transitioning from the FJ09 to the Gen II Tracer GT.  (I'm not 100% certain about Canada but there was definitely no '18 model in the U.S.)

I am remaining optimistic for a 2024 model Tracer9 GT+.

Good point. Maybe MY '24 will have some new features, or least a single bigger TFT screen,eh

Oh yeah this is a motorcycle forum😏isn't it......

My theory on the lack of '23 9GTs for the Land of Free- Yamaha hopes to build some demand by decreasing supply.....

3 hours ago, PhotoAl said:

.... In my neighborhood in Alabama folks pick up the dog poo when waking their dogs - in SF it's different....    In CA life is good if you make a few million a year or more.  yeah, I was out there for Thanksgiving 2019. My God man, people defecating on the sidewalks, every little alley a tent city/needle park. I left in the early 80's to go play MT Man in North Idaho, by the early 90's peeps with decent jobs were living in the cars cuz they couldn 't afford to rent and certainly not buy housing.

Shipping into the west coast ports has declined markedly this year.  Many companies are working to not have that supply chain bottleneck again.  The west cost decline has meant an increase for ports in the south and east.  Was an article about it in the WSJ this week.  Yamaha has moved its US headquarters to Atlanta... news to me but not suprised ......I'm wondering what Yamaha is going to do when their dealers sell thru the 2022 inventory with no 2023 model coming. Only the '23 9GT is missing, my 2023 MT-09 SP arrives at stealership next week  Looks like the country is going into a recession (or is in one already).  Yep, looks that way, what the Fed wants . Imagine the fiscal blow to folks who bought homes in the last two years....

5 hours ago, maximNikenGT said:

...could be the cost of petrol is much higher in Europe.

Apologies, but I think you are overlooking geography: you can ride across all of Europe ( excluding Russia) in 4 days or so. It would take more than a week just to ride across all of the Western states in the US even at Iron Butt levels.....

well, i'm being light hearted,eh; except for the realistic comment: 40% of all imports into the US arrive at ports in long Beach and LA. If they went into the ocean the impact on the economy would be unprecedented, not to mention your ability to hop on down to the Wallyworld to buy stuff. And yeah, very little in the way of common sense comes out of Sacramento. But there are plenty of farmers, ranchers and common folk in the state who probably have as much common sense as anyone in the Northeast.

11 hours ago, kilo3 said:

There's a mass exodus out of California ever since the pandemic. Colorado, Texas, Idaho, Montana, is where most of the activity is going.  It's a beautiful state, with excellent weather, but horrible taxes, heavy handed laws on most everything.
There are many who would like to see the nonsense end and hope it falls into the ocean soon enough.
#learntoswim

Snide response: oh yeah, we down here in Az eagerly await Lake Havasu City becoming a seaside resort town instead of merely a Lake town 🤠

Sensitive response: my god man, do you realize how many millions of people would die😬

Realistic response: dude, you think we have supply chain problems now? Not too mention the refugee scenario. Hope ya gotta a lotta MREs, ammo and reliable firearms.....🙃

11 hours ago, betoney said:

I'm in the same situation and as strange as it may sound, I kind of like limitations.  The anticipation over winter makes the riding in spring so much sweeter and FINALLY getting to go on a long road trip makes me feel like a kid in a candy store. 

My mindset has always been to take advantage of "riding weather" because its limited here in the PNW, some of our best riding is in the Cascade mountain range and a lot of the mountain passes are closed almost half of the year due to snow, so when they open for riding we really savor the opportunity and between May and October I pack in as much riding as I possibly can.  I often wonder if I had unrestricted access to ride the same area year-around, would I enjoy it as much?

Indeed, being able to ride year-round was a dream come true the first couple of years down here in Az, compared to the seasonal nature of motorcycling in North Idaho. Used to go ride Hwy 88 every freakin day; 110' in the Summer or 60' in the Winter, didn't matter. But as the novelty wore off, and health issues from my cancer have gotten worse, well I just don't ride enough anymore. Sure miss some of great riding the PNW has to offer ; we only have a few rides down here that come close. Still any riding is better than none,eh.

3 hours ago, texscottyd said:

I went with ‘Thanks’ as a reaction, but Like, Thumbsup, Haha, Confused, and Sad also seem to apply…  

I’ve already started down that rabbit hole, and I can see where you can throw an obscene amount of money at these.   I basically bought this for the cost of the upgrades that have already been done!  😳  My wife didn’t fall for the pitch that the bike was effectively free, but she’s pretty good-natured about my moto-spending.  

Welcome to the "club" bro. You'll love the bike like some exotic, hard to please Iron Mistress who always seems to need a new "trinket"😁. Just kidding, sure it's fine just as is; but there is no end to the $$s one can dump into a Harley....( carbon fiber everything, always a better suspension setup just "around the corner" and of course- the pro shop built blue printed engine, for starters...)

On 12/5/2022 at 9:06 PM, PhotoAl said:

for now, but with CA folks moving to Arizona will probably change.

 

True, and somethings already have changed: we can at least "lane filter" now....🤠

39 minutes ago, PhotoAl said:

Sending you a scornful look and scoff of derision 🙂 

I get you on the MT-09, that's how I traveled on my ZX6R.   Was fun until i hit stretches with speeds less than 45mph.  Without the prop off the wind my wrists would suffer.

Yeah I feel ya, can't do a sportbike rider triangle anymore- wrists and neck feel it for days after. Even an XSR 900 is a little too aggresive and certainly not a Ninja nor the new GSXeR GT would work, me thinks. Too bad, the Suzie looks to be a winner. But I am stuck on the triple- the HP to TRQ ratio is suberb for street riding.

I bet you could get out the door for right around 15k at that San Diego FBC listing....

5 hours ago, KrustyKush said:

...........

CA has rules that inhibit ppl from going to another state to buy cheaper and then import the vehicle to CA.  If you traveled to another state to buy new, cheap, you'd be unable to register that new bike in CA because it had less than 7500 miles on it.....

States can do as they like regarding vehicle laws&regulations, provided those don't supersede any federal laws.

Thank God Arizona has reasonable laws....

On 12/3/2022 at 3:49 PM, ZigMerid said:

It might be more promising in Australia as their web site is showing just the black and white models now.

White is only available in the 2023 release, correct?

https://www.yamaha-motor.com.au/products/motorcycle/road/sport-touring

nice, like the white with the gold wheels, ya'all get some cool shit down under,eh

( edit:MY23 RIDE AWAY PRICE $ 17,024 US dollars)

1 hour ago, KrustyKush said:

Yeah that was a good price on the Tracer............ With CA taxes, my OTD was $17,500.  Ouch.

 

🤑Nash powersports in Mesa wants 18K OTD for a 2022 Red 9GT🤑 that's after applying a $500 gift card offer🤣

2 hours ago, PhotoAl said:

which panniers did you go with?

 

 

if you are asking me? None, I have some soft throw over sport bike bags that will work if I get some pannier supports, as well as a Givi soft trunk. The 80 lbs lighter gen 3 Mt-09 vs 9GT comment was regarding stock configs with the 9GT wearing her panniers. 

Thing for me is I'm just not doing the long distance touring on the GT 900 that I thought I would; too fat and lazy nowadays. 90% of the miles I've put on her have been "hooning" around town and day riding up in the Mts. The MT will be more fun for that kind of riding and be fine for an overnighter with windshield and some soft bags,eh.

Longer distance I'll break out the MoTow and pull it behind the Mazda, take my dog, Paddleboard, etc. ( sees scornful looks, hears scoffs of derision....😂

2 hours ago, kilo3 said:

So if ABS fails, is that your fault as a rider? You are now relying on ABS for your safety.

if it fails and you crash: yes it is your fault; you didn't have to crash, did you? Did you become so complacent due to the ABS that you tromp on the brakes at the last moment instead of anticipating/detecting/evading/escaping?

1 hour ago, KrustyKush said:

I remember bikes of the 1960s.  Those had terrible brakes, (or virtually NO brakes, especially in the wet).  Suspensions were ridiculously bad.  Tires... well, tires really sucked.  I could go on, but we all know that those old bikes were death traps.  Some of us survived, but not without scars.  I have a short collarbone on the right because of a crash on a Concours, and another on a CBR1100XX that would surely have not happened if the bikes had had ABS.

We eventually learned how not to crash, but it took years, and there were many crashes with injuries and damage that need not have happened.  

My 50 year old son is a new rider.  He bought himself a 2004 Sportster.  No ABS.  No traction control.  I fear for him during his learning phase, as he encounters all the various dangerous situations that aren't covered in the Basic Course.  He's already crashed once with a couple of painful leg injuries that took weeks to heal.  Now he's got a case of fear.  He's overcoming it, but how much better it would be if that older bike had the same electronic aids that were present in all cars in 2004.

A Sporty ain't a good starter bike- top heavy, hard clutch with a lot of low end grunt, poor ergonomics in standard form....despite the MoCo pushing it as the starter/newbie machine for decades. Of course if you conquer it you have acquired some skill

Agree that ABS is probably the most important safety device for a newb motorcyclist: the automobile driver conditioned reflex to step on the brake in panic situations takes time to overcome, and never happens for "weekend warriors"

1 hour ago, kilo3 said:

I think the question is wrong.

The question should be, who is liable when safety fails?

It can only be the rider, period. Regardless of what goes wrong, who did what,etc, only you can do anything about it,eh. Rider aids are nice to have, but no replacement for acquired skills or situational awareness. Poorly designed motorcycles with inherent performance flaws are still ridable ( Kawasaki H2 750 comes to mind in that regard) by skilled motorcyclists; albeit, death machines for the unskilled.... 

Yaas, I'm as excited as a "virgin on prom night". About 80 lbs lighter than a 9GT with panniers mounted; 60 something lbs lighter than my GT900 with ultralight titanium exhaust: fun factor should be huge 😁

thanks for clearing that up. Hmmm, I just put a healthy deposit on a '23 MT-09 SP, wonder what config the quickshifter will be.....

Yamaha shows no 2023 9GT at all for the US market on the their site; every other model ( dual-sport to sportbike) shows a 2023 version...looks like it's true then, we ain't gonna see the '23

3 hours ago, FarmForce said:

The '23 T9GT+ has an improved QS (Gen 3) where now you can down shift at any throttle setting and do not need to close the throttle before a downshift as on the current Gen2 QS. That is a significant improvement of the utility of the QS!

you have to close the throttle to downshift with the QS? Really...was sure I read that new QS could downshift at any RPM under 9k....

2 hours ago, OldBikers said:

I believe the QS is a Gen 3 to be used with the ACC. 

No I don't think so, same QS on all models: MT-09; XRS 900 and 9GT.....

PhotoAl 

4 hours ago, PhotoAl said:

 

@LarzI'd hate to see what the other dealer is like but can imagine as seems like there  are some bad ones out there.  Anyone old enough to remember the Dodge dealers of old - "what price could I sell this POS to you for today" 🙂   Do wonder if they were working on remedying the issues but parts hadn't dome in yet.  I'd rather see a bike with a problem that is easily fixed than no bike at all.  

Indeed, old enuff to remember all the scams🙃

I'm sure they are waiting on a few minor parts to fix that 9GT up. Sat on it and it felt just like my GT 900. But the color doesn't do it for me, and although it felt just like my GT 900, something about the bike suggested a more civil attitude😇.

And yeah, the other dealers in my area are scum sucking, corporate type azzholes🤔

They did have a bike on the floor that gave me a bit of a "chubby": a 2022 MT-09 SP ( it called to me ,man. LOL how many times I've heard that line from peeps .... but it did, like a sexy woman you  see while out with your current squeeze, a big that's what I want....)

4 hours ago, PhotoAl said: