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4 minutes ago, 2and3cylinders said:

With the 15 & 16 the diagnostic connector does not interface with the ECU

I believe I have the correct adapter cable..

Naw that can't be right buddy: if it doesn't connect to the ECU how could anything see diagnostic info? Why don't you call or email FuelMoto, they won't steer you wrong

@2and3cylinders : I have a '19 GT. Don't have the Powervision for the Yamaha yet, got a question or two I need FuelMoto to answer first. If you buy the PV3 for your FJ-09 year it will come with the correct connector.

@betoney: A couple of points- the PV for Harley been out for more than a decade now; PV3 for our bikes and Canams is newer product; Harley custormer base is huge in comparision with much more demand for custom tunes.

Say what you will about Harleys ( I'd likely agree after owning one for 10 years,eh ), the Delphi ECM HDs use is one of the most powerful engine mangement systems in existence. Off the showroom floor the ECM uses narrow band o2 sensors to do adaptive learning, adjusting not only fuel trims in real time but also updating  the calibrations in the base map; albeit, in the very nrarrow range of the o2 sensors like 14.1 to 15.1 AFR.

The basic Autotune feature does not do real time adjustment, rather you use the PV to put the ECM in learning mode and then ride the bike- when done export the learned changes and update the map or create a new one- rinse and repeat till you like it.

The new Target Tune uses wide band o2 sensors that replace the stock narrow band- same tuning process only now across a wide range of AFRs, kinda like a Dyno. It will also increase the range of on the fly adjustment.

I'm hopeful that Dynojet will develop at least a basic Autotune feature for the PV3 for our CP3s. Right now it's a manual operation, either just looking and adjusting things, or in your case you could ride with the PV3 datalogging, go home and plug the PV3 into a laptop and look at the real time adjustments your Active Tune made and use that create a better base map

10 hours ago, 2and3cylinders said:

Hmmm

Very interesting and tempting.

My 15s ECU was flashed originally by Dave at Vcyclenut for $200 + shipping one way, and then again for free + shipping because he offers free lifetime flashes to the original owner.

I don't think I have the aptitude to use either devices but who knows.  How hard is it to grasp and execute?

I'm not unhappy with Dave's flash at all but I may not know any better only having firsthand experience tuning carbs and ignition systems, which I understand and find relatively easy and satisfying.  Or at least I did.

Now I would just rather spend my time riding but can't afford or trust anyone else to work on my bikes. Swapping an ECU somebody else flashed is another thing.

SWMBO says I'm just a grumpy, bitter old man.

Good price, while back? Ivan's did mine for $300; wants $350 now🤑

Super easy to flash your ECU - just connect the PV to the diagnostic connector on the bike and follow the onscreen prompts on the device. Takes about a minute. Load canned maps into the device via Windows on a laptop or look at /tweak maps. I have not talked to Fuel Moto or Dynojet about particulars, so I don't want to speak out of my arse about tuning- however Fuel Moto folks are big fans of the FZ-09/MT-09 so should have good selection of canned maps and they have a Dyno to develop maps or tweak a map. Really good customer service and support with them!

Have a Power Vision for my Harley and they have been stellar with support. Hoping Dynojet comes out with some auto tuning features for the PV3 that works on our Yamahas; works a treat on the Harley version.  

3 minutes ago, knyte said:

So much THIS.  I've been tempted to flash my ECU, but the cost of flash + shipping etc etc - ugh.  For a bit more, I could install this semi permanently and flash whatever map I want whenever I want.  Spendy, but suuuuuper tempting.

Exactly. I think I paid around $300 for a flash+ shipping. Then found out the map for the canned flash I got was built with an Akro pipe and  I'm running a Graves😶. it's ok but not anywhere what it could be,eh. Had the bike Dynoed ( not tuned, would have had to get the Power Commander to do that back then). Runs too rich down in the lower RPM range with the canned map ( generic)

59 minutes ago, betoney said:

Interesting device, I have not done much research on them.  Keep us informed on how it works for you.

I am going to assume... (I know...) that the difference between this and a flash is the ability to toggle features on and off?  Meaning with a flash, you can disable deceleration fuel cut, disable air induction system, default to A mode for start up, remove electronic gear timing restrictions and change fan temperature.  Does this device allow changing of ECU parameters?

Yes this device will allow the user to change parameters in the ECU.

With a flash you get one custom fuel map but the PV3 sounds like it also alters your fuel map in real-time as you ride like the FTECU active tune. 

No it will not do that- it does not have to be attached to the bike unless you want to do data logging; it allows you reflash the ECU with canned maps or custom maps you design based on data logging or a Dyno. The older Power commanders had to be attached and could adjust AFR on the fly.

I would think that you could change exhausts or intake and the device will modify the fuel map to stay within a set air fuel ratio. 

You manually adjust maps or download canned maps which must flashed to the ECU; however, you can make a new map for just about any change to the bike while retaining the old map in the device.

I have the FTECU Active Tune and works very well, I have used it from below freezing to almost 114F and sea level to over 12,000' and adjusts fueling very efficiently.

https://2wheeldynoworks.com/products/yamaha-activetune-afr-closed-loop-self-tuning-ecu-kit?rq=mk_yamaha~md_fj-09-tracer-900~yr_2015

Yes I think you could run that device on the bike if you had a PV to flash your ECU. The PV could be attached to the bike while running and you could datalog the adjustments the FTECU made in real time ( unless the FTECU attaches to the diagnostic connector?)

1 hour ago, Yamajank said:

A little pricey.

yeah, but how much is a one time generic flash? In comparision to a device you tune with and/or take to a Dyno tuner? Not to mention you can build several tunes with a Powervision: a hot tune, an MPG tune and have them stored on the device to flash at your discretion

Finally, no more piggyback tuner ( nooo didn't want) or mailing the ECU to be flashed. Think I'm getting one of these real soon!

https://www.fuelmotousa.com/i-23898148-dynojet-pv3-yamaha-fj09-tracer-900-pv3-22-02-power-vision-3.html#!model%3DTRACER 900||make%3DYAMAHA||year%3D2019

Bummer, sorry to hear. Lucky as hell though, if the cager had hit your leg the story would be a lot worse..Sounds like a new bike is in the cards,eh. I believe everything happens for a reason; although as mere mortals, it can be tough to ken the reason. Look at it as an adventure, a new bike... new mods ( I think you'd be happy modding a GT)

12 hours ago, Jayzonk said:

........... 

Of the four, big Japanese firms, which one would you consider the best for providing customer support and warranty?  

Biased opinion- owned two Kawasakis, one Honda, one Yamaha+ Ex's bike in garage. I'd give it to Kawasaki historically : when my 1500's cam chain ate thru the spark plug tubes, they were Johnny on the spot in getting the engine rebuilt.

On 1/7/2022 at 5:08 PM, Skidood said:

Personally I don't really get how someone could trade in a Tracer (or any bike) for what is essentially almost the same bike.   ,I for one, would only go thru the hassle of a switch if I was moving over to something different enough to make it worthwhile.  In my case, the smallest change I'd make is to get an FJR.

I agree cuz there's a lot out there in motorcycledom to choose from; albeit, the  new GT9 is moving out of the budget bike region,eh. On the other hand, apples to oranges- traded my 2018 Mazda Cx-5 in on a 2021 Cx-5 Signature Turbo. Really liked the 2018, notwithstanding bit under powered and unventilated white leather seats didn't get it in Arizona Summers. But the 2021, better car in every respect, handles better, better brake feel, even quieter; not to mention the turbo gives her some balls and the seats are ventilated brown Napa leather. 

So yeah, I can see peeps upgrading to the 9 for the improvements.

( man, this thread gone to shit, eh. Italian motorcycles, Mazdas.... delighted to see peeps talking about something aside from the seat on my 9 sucks😁

45 minutes ago, Rick123 said:

$5000 for low mileage FJ09. $10000 for low mileage Tracer 900/900GT. Over $15000 for 9GT. No, thanks. I would rather spend the extra $$$ on bike trips.

Yeah! The funny thing is, it appears that most of the U.S. 9s are being purchased by former Tracer/FJ owners....

Me, screw it, love my GT goo ( she so sweet) and still deeply embroiled in a BDSM relationship with my HD Dyna:

3 hours ago, 2and3cylinders said:

Nobody else is excited with the new Goose?!

I think it looks cool,eh. When I was a kid fooling around on my CB400F ( 6 speed tranny, man. Yeah my friend's RD350  could take me stop light to stop light, but I was way happier on the freeway) I wanted a CX500 real bad- shaft drive light weight tour bike🏍️. The Guzzi brings back those memories.

2 hours ago, 2and3cylinders said:

 

I think the goggle dash is bonkers, and the mode wheel a Rubic's Cube.

Mostly I think they neutered the character out with the heavier flywheel and geometry.

Both Rider & Roadrunner's (to name 2) liked the T9 a lot but felt it lost the brazen toughness down low; i.e., the ripper aggressiveness I really like that reminds of my RD400, and my "yute" every time I get frisky on it.

 

Strong words, my friend. I like it! Hmmm, the 9 sounds too "grown- up and refined " for this immature 63 year-old 🤣🙃😁

27 minutes ago, betoney said:

Since Yamaha likes to use certain identical parts between many different models, I wonder if the new wheels would fit on the previous models as well. 🤷‍♀️

Actually the very first thing I thought when the new design came out - wonder if those new spin forged wheels would fit older bikes? The 2nd thing was if they would how much&how procurable? I bet skipperT could answer the first question,eh. As to the 2nd, if they are  north of 1k per wheel I'd just go to BST Carbon Fiber wheels- availible for FZ&MT-09s, should fit FJ or Tracers me thinks, bit under 3k 🤑 for a set. I'm sure they are much lighter than the new Yama wheels.... on my Dyna they shaved off more than 10&20 lbs front & rear respectively compared to OEM. Makes for a very lively handling bike!

I've upgraded the 900 to the point were it's about down to new wheels now; although the Andreani carts leave a little to be desired on the freeway.  Well, the new frame, swingarm and lighter wheels on the 9 attract me more than the ecu or the quickshifter. I'm safe= cash and carry only now days for me and 16k to much to come up with 🤑

But i'm not doing it, man. Too many years/miles of life left on the 900 as well as too much $$ into aftermarket goodies. However, I could sink another 3K or so into the bike- Carbon Fiber wheels,hmmm: put a set on my Harley, fairly transformative, wonder what they would do for the 900.....

My ex ( that's her and her motorized Barko-lounger)

15 years ago the kids were grown and gone, we lived in the 'burbs after a couple decades living up in the bush of the Idaho Panhandle and I was BORED. Told her I was getting back into motorcycling; she told me I could pack my bags if I was. I got a little Kawasaki 500Ltd and bags sayed in the closet. One day I convinced her to get on the back- took a fair amount of wine before she would. But she was hooked and I tried hard to coach her the right way. Next year she rode the 500 out to Cali and back ( I'd gotten a Vulcan 1500 by then). A couple of years later,after becoming infected with the Harley syndrome, she bought a Softail and did a solo 2500 mile trip. Now she's a real touring queen- lead the Dealership ride from Spokane Wa to Milwaukee a couple years ago; District director for the Motor Maids,etc

( BTW, PMS: parked motorcycle syndrome, thats her and sister Motor Maids joke,eh ;>)

10 years; 90,000 miles; 3 engines; 4 exhuast systems; 4 tuners; 3 sets of wheels and at least  $30 k later: Magic in the form of a set of BST carbon fiber wheels! ( a new 120hp engine don't hurt either ;>)

10

ridden in 20' weather when I lived in North Idaho. Depends on factors like clear roads, humidity, recent weather events like snow or rain, state of mind ie, PMS: parked Motorcycle syndrome

The Conti RA3 is a great tire! Had them on after the stock dunflops wore enuff to get rid of them. Budget Battleaxs ( Cycle gear) on now and don't like 'em at all

On 11/2/2021 at 10:06 AM, 2NDCHILDHOOD said:

The EU site is a veritable candy store of accessories for the 2021 but the US site basically has only top cases and the touring windscreen. I have not found any aftermarket sites that have anything yet either and it has been out for a year now. I love the bike but I'm anxious to make some improvements like a more comfortable seat and engine guards. Maybe it is a supply chain issue but it feels like Mamma Yama is treating us like a third world country.😥

US is not the prime market for the Tracer, despite the love some of us have for 'em, they don't sell very well over here. My 2019 sat on the showroom for nearly a year before I came along😏

On 12/28/2021 at 1:48 PM, kilo3 said:

"That T9 is a beauty"

yep, I agrees. Don't find any of the dressed Tracers particulalry attractive; now an FZ-09 or MT-09, yeah those are decent looking bikes. I don't buy a bike to look at, however....

Hmmm, if ya got the $$ go all in. If it's tight dollar wise I'd take Betoney's advice on getting quality rear shock and Gold valves with appropaite springs fer your weight up front. I went Ohlins in rear and Andreani carts up front, saved $500- happy in the twistys, not so much on the superslab🤣

(wait a minute ya got a GT, don't do Gold Valves, lose adjustment, maybe just springs,eh)

On 12/13/2021 at 7:11 PM, stevesweetz said:

.....Now if I only they were actually available for purchase anywhere...

Maxim Honda/Yamaha in Texas has a red 2021....if I had a spare 16K lying around I'd be flying over to pick it up fer Xmas🤑

On 12/13/2021 at 2:42 PM, petshark said:

........wheels really make a difference, it's even more agile and happy to turn in........

I've invested too much in my 2019 900 GT to jump on this and now I kind of wish that I hadn't done that. It is going to be hard to keep resisting the upgrade. The thing is that I would not need to do most of the upgrades on the new one (ECU, suspension). I'm almost hoping that someone hits it with their car while it's parked so I can use the insurance money to buy the 9 GT. Just kidding, well kind of...

Same boat here, sans test ride on the 9. Want want want ( childish,eh, can't reasonably use all my 900 will offer up ; )