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Yeah, the wheel on the '23 MT10 is pretty much fine (but not ideal) but in not sure if that's just because it's improved over the 2019 or if it's just years of practice. But I will still be happy to see it gone completely

I had a 2019 for 4 years, and loved it dearly, but if I was to list my greatest dislikes with it, #1 would be that #&@$ing scroll wheel. Which my MT10SP also has. Honestly, the thumb stick alone is a serious benefit in my book. Also the 4th gear/50kph plus limit, the MT has that too and it's absurd - you don't even need 4th till you're at felony speeds. Good to know that from a riding standpoint they're basically the same, though, just a matter of some new QOL upgrades. As appealing as they are, it's a $5000cdn price difference between the two, and I don't think I hate the scroll wheel *quite* that much.

So, after about a year on the MT10SP, I'm looking to trade it in and probably go back to the Tracer. Just did a 2200km road trip on it and I spent the vast majority of that time desperately missing my poor Tracer. Bike thieves need to all burn in hell. Local dealership has a red 2022 Tracer 9 GT with 0 miles quite cheap, and also of course has 2024 GT+ (which are decidedly not cheap) models. What are the differences now? I know the new GT+ has adaptive cruise and a big 7" display, but I'm more curious if there are under-the-hood differences I should be aware of? I'm also considering a Tiger 900 Rally Pro (I no longer have my Tenere, and do miss offroad play) so I'm waffling about that too, but the deal on the red 2022 is quite appealing.

There's no reason to run GT spec. The GT version is just designed for (much) heavier bikes than the Tracer; they don't offer increased mileage or better grip. Edit: It shouldn't HURT anything either, but they generally cost more.

I just recently put some of these on my MT10 after picking up a screw, and I'm really, really happy with them. Props to whoever first ran them here a couple years ago, it was a big step for me to try something other than my beloved Road 6's. In my experience, the Mutants are great tires. Even riding as hard as the MT10 will let me, I'm not triggering TCS anywhere I wouldn't have on the stock S22's. Pretty comparable to the Road 6's in day to day wet/dry performance, but they are head and shoulders better in poor traction situations. They're even better than most 80/20 tires (and they are NOT 80/20 tires; they're marketed as full street tires) I've run over the years, so much so that I've been taking the MT10 on (well maintained) dirt roads a lot, and they achieve that without sacrificing on road grip. I haven't measured, but I've read that the actual land/channel area is almost exactly the same as the Road 6, despite appearances. At least so far - will have to see how mileage plays out - they're a damn great sport touring tire, and absolutely a competitor to the current leaders. And yeah @Clegg78 , mounting that rear tire was hard. Very stiff sidewalls made it extremely difficult to get it to stay pinched and in the drop channel. Not as bad as the Anlas winter tires, but pretty damn close. Had to use an 8" c-clamp to hold the back part of the tire pinched, even after having my heat gun running in them for a while. Also, they look pretty damn cool.

That sounds legitimately terrifying. I've never ridden on road with more than 4 lanes per direction and even then, the 4th is just on/off ramps mostly. But a big city for me is still like <3m people over a very large area. And even then, I *hate* riding in heavy city traffic. *shudder*

So, as today's trip involved a long of long, straight, utterly flat highway, I spent some time on cruise control at various speeds while sitting upright and noted fuel consumption. If you tuck, you can save a fair bit, particularly at higher speeds, but I wanted to get realistic numbers for a long cruise at speed. Speed - Consumption - Range 100kph - 22km/l - 374km 120kph - 20km/l - 340km 130kph - 17km/l - 289km 140kph - 13.5km/l - 230km 150kph - 12.8km/l - 217km 160kph -11.3km/l - 192km 200kph - 8km/l - 136km Obviously in practice ranges are going to be a bit lower as this would require steady state riding vs acceleration/ stopping / etc, and how it's physically impossible to not accelerate hard from every stop while screaming into your helmet. But it's really not bad if you ride the speed limit then you can get ranges that are actually impressive. On another note, the seat. It's much maligned, but honestly at least for my big butt it's quite comfortable. It's very firm, but not hard - as someone who has owned an MT07 and Tenere 700, there is a significant difference. The MT10's seat is also broad and well shaped, and at a very good angle (I'm looking at you, stock Tracer seat position). No sore bum whatsoever today.

If I'm being honest, I think the 09SP is a more reasonable machine for the vast majority of people. It's also sporting a good suspension and the new chassis is a lot improved, while being equally wheelie happy. The 10 is dumb. But good lord is it fun to ride. It's a real danger. I mean, you can be doing 200kph in 4th and just be in the middle of the powerband. It's an extremely, unreasonably, ridiculously fast machine. I did a trip from Calgary - Red Deer and back today, and was rarely below 160kph/100mph, and that just felt like a sedate cruise. The feel and sound when you get on the throttle is *addictive*.

As you may well know, my 2019 Tracer was stolen, and in a fit of irresponsibility and silliness, I bought a 2023 MT10SP to replace it. I've got a couple thousand kilometers on it now, and a 2WDW flash, so here's my thoughts: Is it an upgrade over the Tracer? It has *vastly* more power, much, much better suspension, sure. But an upgrade, no. It's a very different bike. The riding position is still fairly comfortable, but it's MUCH more aggressive than the Tracer, and I find the limited fuel range is as much a blessing as a curse as you generally need to stop and stretch earlier anyways. On the fuel range, the big bugbear of the MT10 line... 200-250kms out of a tank, depending on how you ride. Long enough that it can be a bit annoying but at least in North America it's REALLY rare for that to be insufficient. Honestly, while mildly annoying it's nowhere near the problem people make it out to be. Yes, gas mileage is significantly worse than the Tracer (35mpg for the 2nd Gen MT10's), but... Eh. It's not a bike you buy for cheap gas. I don't know if the electronic suspension on the 3rd gen Tracers is the same or not, but the electronic Ohlins on the SP is as much better than the KYB on the 2nd gen Tracer as that was over the stock MT07 suspension. The MT10SP is more stable, even under extremes such as very high speed cornering on rough pavement - the R1 chassis is evident here as well. There's no comparison in agility and flickability, and the short wheelbase + rigidity lends itself to very precise handling, but it remains very stable at extreme speed on the highway. I want to touch on the 2WDW flash. Honestly, it's essentially mandatory for this bike. Stock, the electronic throttle valve IS HEAVILY restricted in first and second, giving you no more than 35% throttle until 6000+ rpm. This keeps the bike quiet around town and makes it VERY easy to ride, but it also means there's such an extreme power increase from 6k-7k that it's kind of hard to manage (after 7k it'll actually give you full throttle). But this means that even if your wrist is still, you're essentially snapping the throttle open every time you cross that line. The 2wdw flash gives you 1:1 throttle mapping in A mode (gentler in b>c>d) making the power feel far more linear... And the flash also adds 15-20hp all the way across the RPM range. Everywhere. With stock intake and exhaust! The electronics and rider aids are extremely well implemented. Six-axis IMU allows lift and slide control independent of traction control, user customizable engine braking, lean sensitive ABS, full up and down quickshifter (that works incredibly smoothly), cruise control, track and street modes for the dash. All work fabulously and are tuneable for each ride mode AND able to be temporarily, independently adjusted on the fly within a ride mode. Still. It's much less comfortable for touring. Nothing like an R1 of course, it's still a naked bike with a more upright posture, but it doesn't hold a candle to the Tracer for comfort. And I'd argue that the extra power, while wild, is utterly unnecessary and often unusable - it's not like the Tracer is by any description a slow bike. On the other hand, it is *extremely* fast, handles marvelously well, and is very comfortable for such a bike, even as a 6'4" 300lb guy. It'll pull casual 4th gear power wheelies effortlessly. While the front end is.. questionable... The rest of the bike looks amazing, and the stock titanium exhaust system is surprisingly sexy: Minor quibble: The mirrors absolutely needed extenders. Even if you're a slender person, stock they were utterly unusable. With the extenders on them, I still need to pull my arms in or move my head out a bit to see past my elbows. And finally, best for last. The sound. God, the sound it makes. The intake noise in particular you *feel* in your chest, and it's awesome. The CP4 sounds a lot like a V4, not at all like your standard inline 4. Much more growl than whine.

Fortunately the second Gen (22+) models get somewhat better fuel economy. Unfortunately it's still a small tank. Basically let's you run flashed at non-flaahed range. On that note, I should have my 2WDW flashed ECU back on Monday. Weee!

Well, it's really, really grown on me. I'm a couple thousand km's into it now, and I'm not gonna lie, the *insane* power is intoxicating. I wouldn't go back now. And the suspension! Dear Lord, between the R1 frame and the electronic Ohlins suspension, the stability at speed and at hard lean is outstanding. What bags do you have on it? How are the mounted? I'm fine with the range, it's not great, but it's not problematic. worse than the Tracer for sure, but not appreciably worse than the Tenere was. Depends on how you're riding of course, but if I'm not being a hooligan(keeping the front wheel on the ground and just doing 20 over) I can get 240km on a tank, 200 with moderate hooliganism. I can't think of anywhere I've gone where 200kms is a show stopper, and if I was doing it, I'd just bring a fuel bag (hi there, Giant Loop!) Stopping for gas a bit earlier doesn't really bother me. It's a couple minutes and gives me a chance to stretch my legs.

Yeah, I've been on rides on a LOT of bikes now, but it's really different when you're just doing surface streets at or around the speed limit and not able to really push it, particularly with something with that amount of power. I mean, I did a pretty long test ride on a KTM 1290 Super Adventure, and actively disliked it... But there's a very good chance that I'd have a different opinion if I wasn't smack in the middle of a group of people riding very responsibly with explicit demands that we keep front wheels on the ground. I feel a similar test ride of the MT10 would be *wildly* insufficient, most particularly because you don't really get the intake noise it makes until around 7k rpm, and unless you leave it in first *and* get up to around 60mph you're just not going to get that and frankly, more than anything else, the incredible intake noise is the #1 reason to get a 2022+ MT10. Also, the throttle is very heavily restricted stock - even in A mode, you don't get more than 35% throttle (even at WOT) until you're up over 6000rpm, and in first you never get more than ~80% at the most. You really can't feel what the bike is capable of at those speeds unless it's been flashed. But yeah, the Tracer is a phenomenal bike. I really loved it, and would have simply kept mine for a long time. I occasionally fantasized about other bikes (I seriously eyeballed trading in the Tracer and the Tenere for a DesertX, but I'm not ready to go Ducati for a host of other reasons) but until such a time as they make a Tenere 900, I was going to stick with the Tracer for road riding. It just does everything so well, and without the normal sport touring bloat.

Stock, but resprung for my weight (I'm a 300lb guy). Shockingly so. I always thought the idea of dropping $2000 on improved suspension components was kind of crazy, that a couple hundred spent getting it sprung for you got you most of the way there. If I'm being honest, I always kind of thought that the rest was a good portion of "Oh, I spent thousands on these suspension upgrades, so damn rights I believe it's a lot better." Kind of thinking, yeah, it's better, but is it $2000 better? Yes. Yes it is. Nope. Didn't expect it to be, though, and the police said as much - basically that if it's not picked up kind of quickly because it was just stolen and taken for a joyride, if it was stolen "for profit" so to speak it'd just be gone and never seen again. It's just too easy to take a bike, put it in a container/garage/storage locker, ship it out elsewhere or strip it and part it out, or whatever else. Easy to be out of sight, and away from those likely to be looking for it. Both the police and the insurance company (Intact) said there's a huge, huge increase in vehicle thefts overall over the last couple years and motorcycle thefts here in Alberta in particular have shot up enormously. I suppose that's not surprising given how easy it is to steal a valuable motorcycle, and how rampant inflation and a housing crisis has put the screws to a lot more people.

Well, total loss claim is settled now and paperwork done. I'm no longer even technically a Tracer owner I miss it! No shade at the MT10SP, it's a wild ride, but the Tracer was a particularly perfect bike for me. I have, however, definitely learned what a difference a top shelf suspension makes, though. If I where to go back, I'd swap out the forks and particularly the rear shock immediately. You just don't know the difference it makes, until you do.

I use this too. Really excellent tool, bulletproof, no danger of liquids getting sucked places they shouldn't be, etc. Mine's seen half a dozen bikes now. They're very reasonably priced, too!