Sunde

23 hours ago, shredbot said:

@Sunde can you please provide some details on the location?

i have pulled the entire front apart and cant see anything that looks the the turn signal connectors that are suppose to be used for connecting the grip warmers

 

thanks

Hey man i sadly did not take pictures of the connector, and to be frank i have forgotten its location more or less.

Towards the front, on the right side if im not mistaken. I found it pretty quickly after i took apart more (i.e all of the front fairing) not the lights etc but just all the exterior plastics. Sorry man im not much help. 
when you find it, make sure to take a picture heh... 

4 hours ago, peteinpa said:

What kind of interval is 60k k.?? That's 37200 some miles. That's way too long. Did they change it?

Did you do the work?

Do you trust who did it?

VERY unusual that all are fine.

Plenty of records of MANY bikes doing more than 60K km without the valve clearance moving beyond spec?
Not saying i'd advice anyone with a tracer to wait that long, but not even close to being unheard of on many other bikes, probably stating the obvious, but worth mentioning i feel like...
I had my old VFR 800 checked at 28.000 kilometers and it was dead on spec
Letting a bike warm up (correctly) and treating it with a degree of mechanical sympathy obviously goes a long way. But obviously people also value different things in a bike, and not everyone wants to "baby" it around most of the time.

Case and point the above youtuber, the way he changes gears when he tries to "get at it" to follow his friend onto the highway is EVERY reason i'd never let anyone but my dad ride my bike lol. I would not be shocked if he just guns it while its cold also... Mega cringe (in my opinion) 

2 hours ago, jthayer09 said:

5'10 or 178cm.

Yeah, it's for sure a 1-season cold weather windscreen. I only had it on this past winter from November to first week of April, and honestly it only stayed on that long because I was away from home in March. I 100% agree it's much more enjoyable having clean air hit you while riding.

@motoontheweekend Your profile says you're in CA, so I assume you don't have harsh winters? You you may find it more enjoyable (and economical) to give a cheap windscreen spoiler a try. I snagged one from eBay a while back and put it on the stock windscreen and it's what I ride with spring, summer, fall. The spoiler calms the air nicely reducing the buffeting greatly, but I still get airflow.

+1 to this, I did the same on min (186cm) 
Really helps reduce any annyoing buffeting and keeps air over my helmet pretty slow (nice and quiet) but i still get some air.
No as much as i'd like when its proper hot... But thats what my sportscreen is for 😛 

10 hours ago, OZVFR said:

All good now, stocked up on popcorn so please go on 😁

I for one think that the more safety features the better, I also think that a bike with all the bells and whistles will be a safer bike than one without regardless of your riding skills. 

Using an argument about an uncle who rode around WooWoop in the 60’s and made it back alive is ludicrous. 

So is arguing about using adaptive cruise control while lane filtering will make it brake all the time. FFS, nobody can save someone from their own stupidity. 

The right tool for the right job. 

I very rarely use motorways, but would love adaptive cruise in that situation. 

Cornering ABS, yes please, all these things are great for that one time you get caught unawares, or lose concentration for a second, or conditions change without you realising it. It does not matter if you’re a pro or novice. 

Also at the end, it’s a personal choice, but today’s bikes are definitely safer than the old shitboxes we had in the 80’s. 

1 hour ago, HGP61 said:

Another interesting twist to the Topic, Electronic safety aids must be a good idea and I wouldn't argue against them. I'm now looking forward to a bike with active cruise control and lane assist and automatic emergency braking fully automatic lights and as long as it features the Honda prototype stability feature and a suitable seat belt I can relax and have a sleep on the fuel tank while the bike takes me to the twisty bits.😄 a coffee machine and alarm clock might be helpful as well.

I think you might be looking for a different kind of vehicle there 
 There is a solid difference (imo) between safety features (ABS/TC) and all kinds of assists (Cruise control, quickshifters and whatnot) 
I dont think anyone really wants the bike to ride itself? 
But i mean automatic braking in case i get distracted, why not?

1 hour ago, peteinpa said:

I've wondered that even with cages.  That auto braking thing, where does it draw the line???  Car, motorcycle, dog, cat, squirrel, grasshopper, gnat,???

Can't trust the tech.

I get the "cant trust part" because obviously this isn't something you just test for shits and giggles. 
But assuming in a dystopian future full of even more mandatory rider aids, that a radar controlled auto braking system gets implemented / forced on all motorcycles. Would it not better to have a system that might be able to intervene or at least slow you down before an impact than nothing? 
 Unless you think its going to make you crash? I guess it would suck if such a system gets spooked during a corner. Although you'd think it would be hooked up to an IMU, so it wouldn't activate during hard lean etc. 
 

41 minutes ago, kilo3 said:

I seriously thought that Sund dude was going to pop a vein. I can't even care enough to unblock him to read.

Cant even imagine how it must feel to throw in a small insult on a motocycle forum only to block the person you'v insulted immediately. 😅 Real powermove right there.

I'll try to get over it
Oh wait, wait a second

I think i just did? 

❤️

48 minutes ago, Larry1096 said:

For what it's worth, as the OP I appreciate all the varying viewpoints. 

 

Larry

Glad to hear it, dont get scared off posting or commenting in other threads just because this specific thread turned so argumentative by the way. 
Hope you land yourself a good deal on a Tracer at some point!
 

2 hours ago, Ride365 said:

Threads shouldn't be locked down when people disagree, too much of that occurs everywhere online these days and it needs to stop. However when a person/persons feel they need to win an argument or topic of conversation, then yeah that can get outright annoying.  

Fine by me, i think Knyte made i quite clear that he was done bickering, and thats simply what i am doing.
 Its not a matter of winning (maybe it is for some) its just a matter of people being VERY black and white in their comments which i felt like OP did not deserve when he has asked what boils down to a pretty complex question. 
If you think your comment or comments like Kilo3 is what OP is after (or the one i have just written as a response to yours) thats fine, i dont moderate the forum. I just find this very dull.
 

7 hours ago, knyte said:

Which is your: 

Subjective
Opinion

I am very well aware of what the technology offers, it just doesn't excite me.  It so happens I don't own something with that many assists, and I'm happy with what I have - don't need anything more (so far).  The value is there for me.  I didn't say I was more skilled than necessary - in reality, the opposite is true - I can't wait for my next bike course.  Training, skill, and experience is far more important to me than a lean angle sensor, or even ABS.

I can sum it up  for you simple terms:  a decently trained & skilled rider will rarely, if ever, reach the limits of the assists, emergency or otherwise.  I get that it's supposed to be for a dire situation, but good strategizing & training will keep you out of said situations.  Full Stop.  Feel free to insert your favourite facepalm gif here, I don't mind.

By your logic, how has anyone with a class 6 survived until today?  They should all be pancakes and telephone pole stains.  Geeze, my uncle toured the US perimeter - twice - and most of Mexico - on a Honda 750 4 - made it home every time.  My dad toured New Zealand on a Honda in the 70's.  No ABS then, either.  Carbureted, no less.

I find this line of reasoning, but more so the tone, beyond pedantic, and outright patronizing.  This is an argument already lost, because you're trying to reason with that which is clearly only important to you - not necessarily the person actually shopping for a bike.  It's up to the RIDER to make the informed decision on what model, generation, and ergonomics is a good fit for them.

So, with that, I wish you good day, sir!

I cant, just cant
am very ready to end this, we agree on that. 
And for the record i apologize if you feel patonized, not my intention. 

Suggest a mod locks the thread before others like Kilo3 gets too excited, dont think thats what OP was after.
Good day to you too. 

7 hours ago, kilo3 said:

Cripes sakes did you design the T9 from the ground up or something? It's a motorcycle, not your first born child. Relax before you give yourself a brain aneurysm.

Did someone hurt your fweelins? 
Sorry dude, hope you get over it. 
Way to go getting a snarky comment in, happy to have your contribution to the discussion (not) maybe just dont bother commenting next time.

Sums up my experience aswell! 
Its not like it was a challenge, but my god the instructions were balls haha.
Same goes for installing the heated grips etc (i have the non GT spec) 
The front fairing is really easy to disassemble thankfully, but in terms of installing the grips and routing cables etc the instructions were borderline useless. 

On 8/5/2022 at 7:45 AM, petshark said:

The clutch on my 21 9GT is perfect. I hope it stays that way.

Mine only felt a little off during the run in period.
Now its completely normal thankfully, i dont find it "different" to my mates bikes either, so its not a thing i got "used to" it just went away. I like the logic i heard of someone saying that there are additives in the factory oil making it ever so slightly more slippy.
 

8 hours ago, knyte said:

More bells and whistles equate to what, exactly?  Safety?? While ppl fiddle with menu wheels that tend to fall apart, for unnecessary features?  Squint at displays that are too small?  No thanks.

What, exactly, makes newer models, as you insist, "safer"?  It's still subjective.

Do you know or understand how cornering ABS/TC function?
Your arguing the same way people were back when ABS was introduced to bikes.
"I dont ride fast enough to need it"
"im skilled enough"
"I ride safe"
Hillarious logic, but still present to this day in some riders.
These systems are not MEANT to be activly used, they are in the background taking care of you if suddenly you hit a bit of loose pavement whilst you are trailbraking or on the gas out of a corner.

It is again indisputable that the T9 is a safer motorcycle. The rider aiding technology is better. And no matter how hard you try you will not be able to make a convincing argument for anything other than this fact. 

"More bells and whistles equate to what, exactly?  Safety??"
Just wow lol the IMU is not what i would consider a gimmicky feature, its really good technology. Thats why ALL modern high'er end bikes come with these equipped.
If you manage to kill yourself because you are fiddeling with the switch gear (no idea why you'd do that whilst moving) You set the bike up how you like and then dont ever touch the switch gear again lol.
But IF you manage this, its simpel natural selection. The fact that you point out the addition of a menu system as a hardzard is just very meh... 

"What, exactly, makes newer models, as you insist, "safer"?" It's still subjective.
I cannot be bothered to find more facepalm gifs, but i would insert one around here.
No its not fking (excuse me) subjective, its absolutely unequivocally not subjective haha. 
It is in fact 100% factually true that the T9 has better safety systems, thus i will continue to insist that by definition it is a safer motorcycle. 

1 hour ago, knyte said:

I agree with everything you just said, @betoney.  My '15 does me just fine.  I don't even really have want or need for an ECU flash.  I can see tuning or otherwise rebuilding some aspects of the suspension, but I've read that others seem to like it fine.  I've no need for a longer swingarm; I'll never reach speeds where that would matter - so, I'll take the slightly more agile handling around the city in return.  Works for me.  CC would be a nice to have, but it's not a need to have - a throttle lock is good enough.

As mentioned, it's all subjective.  No one can say which generation is 'best', only what features & price work best for them.  All things considered, IMHO no matter which generation you choose, based on features and personal preferences, you really can't go wrong.  They're all great bikes.  So, it's up to the OP to ask the right questions, learn about what each model features.  Everything else is opinion.

 My '15 does me just fine. 
I'll never reach speeds where that would matter
it's all subjective
No one can say which generation is 'best'



I'd 100% agree if we were just talking some bells n' whistels being the difference. But when the vehicle is safer to operate and faster/smoother to boot and also has nicer bells n' whistels, i need arguments like this No one can say which generation is 'best' to die of death. 

1 hour ago, betoney said:

But Yamaha DID change the Tracer9 from the 900 and the 2021 and 2022 models ARE a completely new bike compared to the 2020 model... or am I misinterpreting what you were meaning to say?

As far as "new and improved" does new automatically mean better? to me -NO.  A lot of "better" is subjective, is a longer swingarm "better" or is it new for 2021?  You might like it and I might hate it, who is correct?  Is adding an IMU "better"? to me its just more stuff.  How about new electronic suspension? you don't have to adjust it, is that better? maybe to you but to me I want more than just hard and soft settings.  On every other Yamaha model with ES they have a menu interface that lets you adjust it to YOUR preference, on the Tracer9 they give you hard and soft or ride and sport or whatever they call it.  The new model is rumored to have radar assist adaptive cruise control though how many will disable it and use standard set it and forget it CC?  New isnt necessarily better for everyone.

I just disagree immensly with this logic
 First point, no its not a new bike.
-Still CP3 engine.
-Same ergonomics. 
-Largely same characteristics (handeling/styling/practicality).
-Same crappy windscreen issues 💩
Its not like they went from a Multistrada type bike to a Ducati Supersport S (both performance/tourers afaik) 
They just upgraded the Tracer 900, yes they made "big changes" but if you ride the Tracer 900 and T9 back to back you will feel them being similar (at least i did), and as far as i can tell from reviewers its not like they made a big deal out of saying just how much the T9 isn't like the Tracer 900.

Secondly...

" as far as "new and improved" does new automatically mean better?"
I mean... This is a really strange question in the context of the discussion. Because obviously the changes to the new T9 have made it safer and faster, this is pretty indisputable i'd argue. 
With this established would you really argue that the T9 is not a better motorcycle? If a newcommer somehow gets the greatest deal on earth and can pick between a 0 miles Tracer 900 or a 0 miles T9, would you tell them hey by the way!
-The ECU is not an upgrade
-The engine upgrades are somehow not actual improvements
-That the extra tech / suspension etc. is in fact not desireable.
 I really very much doubt you would. 
So what this argument really boils down to then i assume is if you + a couple others personally want a T9. Evidently you dont, you justify why you dont think its worth it to you. Fair game, but saying "new isn't better for everyone" is really hard to swallow if new is again a safer, faster vehicle. 

24 minutes ago, HGP61 said:

Value for Money!!!

It has been interesting reading through this topic even though it has drifted away from the OP. I have had My 17 reg MT 09 Tracer for 4 years now. On the test ride I experienced the WOW factor, it felt so much better and exciting in every way from the Honda CBF1000 I had at the time that I was desperate to empty my bank account to "upgrade" and get a Tracer. When I had changed into my "Sensible Hat" rather than pay £11,000 for a new bike I went instead for a 20 month old, Low mileage pre loved example priced at £7,000 by the time I had sold My Honda it had cost me £5,400 to change my bike. If I wanted to change my bike today for a new T9 I would expect to have to give the stealership my bike and about £7,000. now as much as the new T9 might be better in many ways In My opinion and to be honest when it comes to my bike that's the only one that counts it isn't £7,000 better. You do your research you ask opinions  and you make a decision that suits you best But I'll be keeping my bike for a good few years more.

I completely agree with everything you'v stated. I feel like i'v made that clear in my responses, price isn't what this is about. 
I would NEVER buy a T9 if i owned one of the older generations in good condition. 
The argument that i am having with a few of the users in this thread is that they are trying to sell the previous generations in a way that makes them sound superior to the T9+ generation, which i find frankly absurd.
And to which i am yet to recieve convicing arguments other than "There is nothing about the new model that would make me want one over my 2020"
or  "forum members who are reporting issues and dislikes about their Tracer 9 GT"
 It strange because the new generation is NOT a new bike, its just incremental upgrades.
Had Yamaha totally changed the Tracer i could understand why you could have users prefering the old model.
But as it stands its basically just Tracer 9 = more better at everything. Yet you have comments brushing this aside as "upgrades that cater to personal preference"... Like yeah? IF your personal preference is an overall BETTER motorcycle, i think 99.99% of all bikers would recommend the "upgraded version" IF someone wants to buy a new bike. 

1 hour ago, Ride365 said:

That made me laugh because it makes zero sense, also many here still own the original FJ-09 so I reckon it is all up to personal preference/experience?  We are thrilled you love your bike so much, especially if it gets you out riding more.  

 

Just would like to reiterate to the OP and anyone else who will read this considering a new 9GT, is that not everything is better than the original FJ-09 or the 900 GT, but yes some improvements/enhancements were for sure made in the eyes of some. They also didn't fix some things which needed addressed as well, but hey there is always the next models coming out eh?

Very fun indeed!
I personally cant really get on board with how you make the older generation seem equal to the new one somehow.
"some improvements/enhancements were for sure made in the eyes of some"
personally i'd argue that you know, increased stabilily, better engine characteristics, better suspension, better (safer) eletronics etc. are improvements in the eyes of EVERYONE haha, except 2020- Tracer 900 owners maybe?

You personally said yourself "There is nothing about the new model that would make me want one over my 2020"
That is indeed an interesting statement seeing as there are MANY ways in which the T9 has improved on the Tracer 900.
 I am yet to find a way in which it has become WORSE, but apparently you know just how much worse the T9 in fact is compared to the Tracer 900 (in some aspects) i get that you dont think the T9 is an outright downgrade. But the way you are arguing the case for the tracer 900, it sure seems like you think there are people that would think the 900 would somehow be the better bike compared to the T9, i'd really like to know in which ways that would be.

3 hours ago, petshark said:

I'm just glad that I read about this characteristic here before buying the T9.

I'm sure that it's there for a good reason and I am not too bothered by it. The Yamaha engineers have a lot of credit with me right now, they did such a good job with this euro5 engine and I think it's a compromise to get such fabulous fuelling. After a 1000 km I'm even more convinced that I will not need an ecu flash. I also find that I automatically adapt to the behaviour because it happens less often to me while I still believe it to be 100% reproducible. I just seem to stay away from the area where it happens. 

I often used to roll to a stop while releasing the handlebars to release tension from my shoulders and wrists. When the engine brake releases unexpectedly it can be a little scary so I am a little more hesitant to do this but as I said that also doesn't seem to happen anymore. I must have adapted my timing without overthinking it.  So in my case it's a non-issue.

I do not notice it anymore on mine, all three T9's i'v tried has had this and i personally ( + the owners of the other bikes) do not consider it a problem, as it is SUCH a small jerk that you really only notice it when you really want to notice it. Having recently ridden a 2017 Tracer 900 i can safely say the engine is noticeable smoother on the T9. 

1 hour ago, Ride365 said:

 There is nothing about the new model that would make me want one over my 2020

Up to you of course.
I dont agree with it all being up to personal preference/experience, luckily we dont have to agree.

@Larry1096 And luckily you can make up your own mind as to which direction to take.

Just know OP that regardless of what you are told in here, all the issues with the T9 that it did have at release have been fixed (recalled etc). If you want the latest and greatest the T9 is probably what you should be looking for. Happy with giving up on mostly small, a few bigger generational improvements + save some bucks the Tracer 900 is a great bike too. 

Oh and for the love of god, regardless of which generation of Tracer you get, consider a different windscreen or some form of spoiler. It really will make your life better. Height/helmet/seating position all matters it seems as some people have luck with different mods. I only needed a spoiler/screen extender to solve the issue on my bike, but your milage may vary. 

1 hour ago, ItsRichieRich said:

Your opinion holds value as much as ours. So to say someone's opinion is wrong but your opinion is correct is arrogant.

There are many forum members who are reporting issues and dislikes about their Tracer 9 GT. It definitely steered me away from one.

its not opinion if its literally in the stats sheet of the motorcycle??
The T9 is an upgraded Tracer 900, stating anything other than this is in fact arrogant.
Although this is not a new trend, back when i owned a CB650 and the CB650R was released, many of the "old" CB owners were quick to defend their older bike and nitpick the newer (improved bike). Very unnessesary trend but alas. Luckily only very few people feel this need, otherwise we'd have to deal with even more useless "ugly Tracer 9 dash" threads lmao. 

Addressing the people with "dislikes" of the T9, i'd wager 99% of the same dislikes holds true had they owned a Tracer 900. I'd love for anyone to challenge that statement however. 
Except obviously if their dislikes included things like lack of stability at speed (improved on the T9), lack of power (unlikely but still improved on the T9), lack of high end electronics/gadgets (improved on the T9) better handeling / suspension (improved on the T9) etc etc. 

Nothing wrong with liking the Tracer 900, but factually the T9 is marginally better in the ways that should matter to most riders. (engine, handeling, electronics). Not going into looks as that is obviously personal preference. 

45 minutes ago, ItsRichieRich said:

In argument, how does that make you correct?

Being correct makes me correct lol. 
I am confused as to how hard this is for you guys to compute, i am not nativly english so that may be it.
 If you truthfully believe that the Tracer 900 is "jUsT aS g000d" as the T9, that the improvements to the engine, electronics, suspension etc are just "incremental" and "not worth buying" comapared to "X beloved Tracer 900"
Then fine
You are just giving bad advice to people, you do you lmao.

3 hours ago, Ride365 said:

It's all over the forum. LOL

Thats your response?
How does that make anything i just said wrong? 
I mean okay, we now know "LOTS" of people on the forum (allegedly) are unable to see the many ways in which the T9 has been upgraded compared to the Tracer 900, fair. 
But that still does not make them correct lol. 
 

12 hours ago, Ride365 said:

Still not sorted out yet from more than a few members here, I'd look at an 18-20 GT or another bike IMHO. As much as I love my 20GT, I have serious lust for a new BMW R1250RS.

No idea who says this 
The electronics are better on the 2021+ T9
The suspension idk, its really good on the base T9, haven't tried the GT.
The frame is better (more sporty but still comfy) just mechanically better designed.
Engine is improved (it is noticeable and worth it) This includes throttle response.
All in all the T9 is in every single conceivable way a BETTER motorcycle than the 2020 Tracer 900 etc. Anyone who says otherwise are just not talking truth.
 The dash being the only point i guess someone can nitpick about, but again if you cant "use" the T9 dash you shouldn't be on a motorcycle, you are borederline blind if thats the case. 

8 hours ago, motoontheweekend said:

Same issue on my 2021 (just under 4k miles) and another that I rented previously. Anyone else feel a whole-bike vibration every once in a while between hitting the friction zone on the clutch and releasing the clutch fully after taking off in 1st gear? It's almost like a feeling of something rubbing in the bike.

I've felt this on my Tracer 9 GT as well as the one I rented and even on a XSR 900 I recently rented. The other day I did a U-turn take off and the vibration lasted a good second or two. Very odd.

Have 100% experienced that yes
My mechanic told me i was lugging the engine, twas not...
My mechanic also managed to overtighten my chain, and overfil the oil at the last service, maybe time for a new mechanic haha. 

5 hours ago, betoney said:

 

I cant speak to 2-up riding comfort but I've put 70,000 miles on mine and a lot of that has been multi-state, long distance riding.  Get a custom seat, cruise control and dial in your suspension and it is adequately comfortable riding 400-450 miles day after day.

I would thing that if you and the wife are smaller, 2-up rides shouldn't be that bad, if you are full size it might be a bit cramped as it has a relatively short wheel base.

After riding my VFR1200x and then jumping back on the FJ, it feels like a toy, quite a bit smaller in every dimension.

1200x is what the Tracer would be if it decided to take up a career as a sumo wrestler  Bigger in every way, but fantastic. I think i'd like the ridig position of the 1200x better than the clip-on style of my old bike. 
That V4 engine tho! 🤤