Sunde

48 minutes ago, DR_DR3I said:

Sounds like you had a great time.

The Ring, however, is a very busy place. And very technically demanding. Keep it rubber-side down, since I've seen way too many vids of guys being heroes only to lose it mid-corner and be seriously injured.

Good advice for sure, it will be my 3rd time going there, and you are 100% correct the risk very real. 
 It is a blast however and unlike any other place in the world. 
Rubber-side down is what i am all about  

It was around 17 degrees C which equates to around 62F and still the Tracer managed to make me look cool with both the front and rear tires getting some nice chaffing near the edge. And even when I felt like I was pushing it I still had plenty of tyre left, great feeling. Bike feels very stable and "dialed" when trail braking hard into corners. 
I promise the tyres looked cooler when i had just finished the day. This is after 3 days of normal riding d:

1 hour ago, betoney said:

75kg is about 165lbs so the springs might be fine for you. 

I'm not familiar with the Tracer 9 forks, do they have separate damping in each leg? rebound in one and compression in another?  If the rebound is fine then you just might be able to adjust the oil in the compression leg?  Maybe start with 10w oil.

No compression in either sadly
Rebound is on the right leg, left side can only be adjustet for preload. 
I'll see what i come up with down the line. As you say with my weight its not like the bike is overloaded, its just not as sporty as i'd like, totally capable however, for now its fine. 

What you are both saying makes sense to be honest
I will not be ripping off the forks to change the oil prematurely if what i am looking at is maybe at the best a 5% positive difference. Assuming i even choose a new oil that actually makes it "better" i guess i could end up making it worse
 i WILL eventually change the oil however, do you guys have any recommendations, even just a ballpark guesstimate as to what weight oil i should be going for? Maybe also what brand? The goal being ever so slightly to stiffen or slow the fork down a bit.
I am relativly light at 75 ish KG's with gear, and often take the bike on weekend trips to local racetracks so i enjoy sporty riding. 

Hi gents.
I am rocking a fresh bike with only 5000 kilometres on the clock, so i definitly do not have to change the oil in my forks etc yet.
With that said i feel like maybe bumping up the weight of the oil a bit would help slow the fork down? Rebound on the 2021 Tracer 9 is adjustable and i have dialed it in how i like it. Sadly compression is not adjustable, and regardless of how i tweak preload/rebound the fork dives pretty hard under braking and just does not feel super stable.
  Any of you guys have any experience with just changing the oil on suspension? I'v seen examples of people doing it, and am confident i can easly do it myself. But will it be worth doing? That is my question Any input is very welcome - thank you for your time.

On 5/9/2022 at 5:10 PM, BVEBRAD said:

Final Update, in regards to my brake issues, Yamaha replaced my rotors, brake pads and brake assembly (?????) under warranty.  The bike is now the way it should be and I'm loving it.

I have noticed one thing since the reflash from the recall.  While engine braking the bike shows down as you expect it to then all of a sudden the compression seems to "let go" causing a slight surge.  Nothing I'm concerned about but once the warranty expires I will be getting a reflash by 2 Wheel Dyno Works.  They did a great job with my old FJ09.

Exact same issue on mine after the factory recall. 
 Pretty impressed that yamaha just let this slip. So many cant even seem to feel it however, my buddy with the exact same bike claimed he did not have this issue after reflash. Obviously he has, he just does not notice. So whatever, a reflash once warrenty expires sounds like a good idea regardless. 

On 5/17/2022 at 12:42 AM, Wintersdark said:

The road 6 front is significantly different on corner entry under braking than the road 5 is.  That's the highlight change of the road 6 tires - the front has a new reinforced carcass and is much stiffer, getting rid of that vagueness that plagued the R5 front.

I was used to the road 4/5 front, but I fully respect how people didn't like the feel.  They were absolutely every bit as capable but didn't "talk" as well in aggressive cornering.  I got used to it earlier on (road 4 era, before I got winter tires and needed tires that would function in sub-freezing temps) and it was fine for me, but I totally understand the complaint.

Don't get me started on trail braking.  I personally feel *all* street riders should be taught trail braking as a requirement of getting your license, as it's an objectively safer means of navigating blind corners than "traditional" cornering.  Yeah, it's not always the fastest way through a corner, but fast easy tip in and the ability to react faster to changing circumstances mid corner is pure gold.  But I digress.  To cut off the rant: I trail brake pretty much exclusively in my twisty riding, as it's *all* blind mountain corners. 

Mileage for me wasn't even close.  Not even remotely.  I've got a set of used T32's and Road 5's in my garage right now, the road 5's having a full 5000 miles more on them but being in FAR better condition with more tread remaining but more importantly they held up far better under hard braking and acceleration.  With both run at the same pressures, the T32's wore into pretty bad shark teeth, so while there's still adequate tread depth they're largely unusable at this point.

Mine see pretty aggressive use, they're pulling my 300lb ass at over 200kph down those mountain roads, with very hard braking and acceleration.

Now, I'm not opposed to the idea that that's asking too much of the T32's, but the fact remains that the Michelin Roads could handle it. 

For lower temperatures, the Roads *dominate*.  It's not even close.  That's more niche though it's crucial to me as I'm riding below freezing for half the year.

To each their own, though.  Here there's a pretty sizeable difference in price, and for your dollar and for regular riding, the T32 is an excellent tire and damn good $/mile. It's definitely not *bad* in the cold and wet, perfectly ok, just not close to the Road 6.  I won't talk about the Bridgestone sport rubber as I've never run it. 

Tires are tires, though, and a lot of comparisons are going to be either purely subjective (how they feel) or heavily impacted by individual riding circumstances like temperatures, asphalt types, how they're used, weight of the bike/rider.

So, to each their own.  There's VERY little truly objective comparisons out there (virtually none in my experience) so you've just got your own experiences.

I mean, @betoney loves his T32's.  I think they're fine, and for many people a great deal given how much cheaper they are (North America), but for me they just don't last well enough to be worth the lower price. They grip just as well (at 7c and above), have excellent feedback.  

 

Thanks for the excellent reply!
Seems like the Road 6 might be worth a go honestly
i was super pleased with the grip on the Road 5's, i felt like they hooked up better on exit, the T32's despite being fancy xxx compound seems like they dont really flex at all when on the side which does not lead to me feeling super happy hammering the throttle open at lean, i always prioritized the braking however. 
 My riding is 100% not as hard as yours, i simply dont have to roads here sadly so that may be while i get similar milage. 
I think you'v convinced me to try the 6's. If they are as good as the road 5's it wont be a bad tire at all regardless. 

On 4/15/2022 at 2:12 AM, Wintersdark said:

The Road 6's (and for that matter Road 5's) are objectively better tires than the T32's, but usually much more expensive.  They're grippier in the wet, and get much better mileage. That said, the difference in the wet is rarely super significant because you just ride more cautiously, and the mileage difference is only really important when compared to $/mile.

If you can get T32's a lot cheaper then they're a very good option.  If they're the same price, though, I'd argue it was simply crazy to not get the Road 6's.  

Lol try being Canadian.  Even cheap T32's here are $460 a set.  

Any evidence to back this up? I'v tried the Road 5's, and the T31/32's.
 My experience has been that milage is good, somewhat equal on both. As far as i know Bridgestones have superior sports performance. Same was concluded in a test by motorrad. The T31/32's seem to have better handeling characteritcs on corner entry when trail braking (most riders dont know how to do this) so probably wont ever notice. But most sport touring rubber will tend to stand you up and run you wide, T32's are the least prone to this according to my experience and test experience. My road 5's were not very confidence inspiring when heavy on the brakes into corners, totally acceptable however. Seems to me that bridgestone has generally nailed their front tires. Same goes for the S22 etc over pirellis sports tires. S22 front is touted as being fantastic. 
 If you value wet performance and cold performance then i'd go with road 5/6
If you value sporty (and totally fine wet/cold) performance and similar milage i'd 100% go for the T32s. Price here in Denmark is roughly similar, although the new Road 6 is the most expensive option.
You can drag knee on both if thats what you are after lol. 

On 4/13/2022 at 8:24 PM, KrustyKush said:

Yes, I notice this on mine also.  Not sure it wasn't doing this prior to the recall being done. It feels, to me,  like when you're pulling a trailer with a truck and at the last few seconds when the speed drops below a certain point towards idle, the trailer brakes release, and you feel a little nudge.

Basically this yes
 Its pretty strange, but 100% down to some computer phuckery 
I just cant quite fathom what as, 3k RPM is wayy to high for any kind of low-RPM assist feature to engage.
Remains a mystery, but hardly spoils this fantastic bike 

I had mine reflashed yesterday, however now i am expericing a very strange engine brake issue.

can any of you guys test this, if you in (preferrably a lower gear) 
Go off throttle above 3k RPM and let the bike engine brake below 3k RPM, do you also get a small "jerk" in the drivetrain, almost as if engine braking cuts off then cuts in again? 
Never had this kind of issue with any bike owned. Its just not a good feeling, not a big problem per say. 

Disregard this
Decided to take the top front panels off, found them!
What a joy this has been, now just to assemble ;))) Anyone ever need help with this just hit me up, i stubbonly refused to take all the side farings off, as the manual did not state a need for this, lesson learned. 

Hey guys
For the life of me i CANNOT find the connector for the heated grips on my 2021 Tracer 9 
The install guide from yamaha is so hillariously unhelpful that it is frankly absurd. It does in no way show where the !@#$% connector is supposed to fit . It just shows the general routing of the cable untill they just want you to guess.
Having followed plenty of installation guides before from Honda i can safely say this is the worst i've ever seen. In many more ways that just this, however nothing was hard to figure out, except this part!

I'v attached a picture just in case you are wondering what kind of quality guide yamaha has supplied (this is all the explanation you get regarding the connection).

ANY help, even just the general direction will be great, so far i cannot find anything that even comes close.  

1 hour ago, duckie said:

I have been around the motorcycle scene for a long time. I have had my share of incidents. I have observed  the results of other riders incidents.

I have come to the opinion that injuries are all based on the luck of the fall.

That jacket would be a little use sliding legs first into a guard rail as one rider I knew did.

That jacket would be of little use if broad sided by some one running a red light like one rider I knew.

That jacket would have be of little use if s semi changes lane right into you while you are beside basiclly running you over as happened to one rider I knew.

My first incident involved target fixation causing me to run wide off the road, hitting a bush, me flying 10 feet in the air hitting pavement……without a helmet. Just a small scratch on the head.

Ive sustain a compression fraction in my knee keeping my 900ss race motorcycle from flipping back over on me……I was wearing full leathers.

Ive made the statement that full leathers, full gear make a convenient body bag at times.

I could keep going. The most important safety device, the most functional safety device you have is between your ears.

Its is the rider and nothing more that makes for safe motorcycling. Riding at night on a dark two lane road, Im thinking the rider developed tunnel vision by keeping his vision center within the headlight beam and was not scanning the sides for anything, which caught him off guard. He was going to fast for road conditions.

He was lucky.
 

What an absurd notion
I'v seen first hand working at a hosptial what gear does. 
Riders come in having fallen wearing nothing but a helmet/t-shirt. The results would often be catastrophic. Compared to riders who came in in full leathers, their injuries were often much less sever. 
 You are literally saying that if you lowside at 50mph there will be 0 difference between being naked and wearing a racesuite with an airbag. I cant tell if you are simply incapable of thinking straight or if you are trolling? 
 You claim to have been "around the scene" for a while, well clearly you'v never watched a motoGP race or any other motorcycle sport, their crashes alone should show you the effect gear can have.

Yeah if the type of crash results in your momentum instantly being arrested then you are likely not much better off with gear than without. Still airbags can help, so can backprotectors etc. 
I fully support your choice to ride with nothing but your birthday suit, please dont advice others to follow your example. 

1 hour ago, howie333 said:

I probably will do a suspension upgrade, and may also be picking up a 2nd bike just for specific type riding sa. the Aprilia RS 660; and I know even that bike will need a few upgrades.

tnx....

 

RS660 wont be faster than the Tracer on a twisty road, at least only marginally.
 To me it sounds like the hardware on top needs adjusting less so than the bike.
I'v only done 1000km's on my T9 so far, but i have 0 worries about going to a trackday or out to a twisty road with sportsbikes, this thing rocks. 

Do any of you 2021+ T9 owners ever have the quickshifter basically "overblip" the throttle when downshifting? Mine does this quite often, basically causing a very small "hitch" in the drivetrain as the bike for a milisecond wants to accelrate before once again slowing down? I am ofc 100% off the throttle when this happens. It just annoys me as its not very smooth feeling 

I'll try to condense this as much as i can, i just gotta share how i feel haha!

Just did my first ride today on my new T9 (GT spec except the suspension basically).
   Short backstory, i just turned 24 and have been on bikes for 6 years now. My background consists of quite a pretty classic modern bikes, CB650F, GSX-S1000, VFR 800/1200 and now the Tracer 9. I'v done roughly 110.000 kilometers on two wheels which i think equates to something like 60.000miles? 
 
Today was 5-7 degrees celcius, and i was somehow totally comfortable. Wind protection with the stock screen was really good in terms of keeping me warm and comfy, i somehow liked the stock seat at least for the couple of hours i spent on it. 
 The windscreen issues many describe were totally present, but did not bother me very much. Part of it may be the way i sit on the bike, very forward with my upper body, so the windblast i did get was still relativly slow moving.  
OMG the engine, it is seriously good, i stille struggle to comprehend how much i enjoy it.
 Smooth and predictable everywhere in the powerband. Down low it feels potent and easy to manage, but take it above 5-6k RPM and it really comes alive with an EPIC induction noise as it surges towards the top of the RPM range. The level of power on tap is in my opinion extremely respectable for street use. 
Too early to really talk about how it handles etc. Felt light, nimble and playfull. Brakes were OK, still bedding in. 
 Really really stoked about the bike, the quickshifter and cruise control are GREAT, cant wait to take the T9 on many adventures! 

I'v tired a bunch of different tires (on different bikes mind you) Pirilli Angle GT II's, Bridgestone T30-31-32 Metzler Roadtech 01SE and Road 5's. 
 Not to mention S21 and S22's ofc (the more "sporty" choices
Frankly the S21/S22 etc are a WASTE if you do street riding only - Unless you go really freaking fast on the street. (Each to his own) I personally loved the handeling on the Angle GT II, also the general feel of the tire, seemed superb even in wet cold weather. They wore off a little fast, around 5k miles for the rear.
The Bridgestone tires are my GoTo, Nüburgring, wet cold road, whatever you want they have never given me reason to doubt them. T32 is the newset tire in the lineup, and it was dope on my VFR.
 S22's  also have decent milage but again i find they'd be a better fit for somehting like an MT10 where you really intend to go nutz, and have an engine that can use that level of grip.

4 minutes ago, betoney said:

That is my #1 sticking point in the newest Tracer 9, I want more than just hard and soft adjustment.

Yeah i mean if the electronic suspension just happens to give you "the perfect ride" then i am all for it, i dont question the value of the GT spec what so ever, but i think i made a good deal getting the T9 "basic" and getting it dialed in the way i like it. 
 

10 minutes ago, betoney said:

In the U.S. we don't get the standard bike, the GT is the ONLY choice we get so I know nothing about the base model. 

How much of a price difference was it for you to get the base bike and then add on the GT parts?  And if you added on most of the GT parts, what made you decide to buy the base model? were there features on the GT that you didn't like?

Availability and cash was the main factor.
 Also in my experience i can get a better ride by replacing parts of the suspension to fit my weight / style. Electronic (clever as it may be) does limit my ability to customise it, at least easily. 
+ It allowed me to buy the bike roughly 25% cheaper and then as i get funds i can add stuff like heated grips etc.
 

4 hours ago, Smokamoto said:

Buy the ‘21-‘22, you’ll like it!

I came off an FJR1300 and got a red ‘21 GT purchased June 2021, last one my dealer had he only got 3. Added the factory trunk (took 7 months), rack (took 3 months), and touring windshield (took 4 months). Also an EvoTech radiator guard, R&G dashboard screen protector, Woodcraft swing arm sliders/spools, and front fender & rear mudguard extenders. 

Since I have a 30” inseam and the Tracer is so tall I raised the forks 5 mm & added a Soupy’s lowering link in the rear. Much more comfortable & confident however it’s a bit too low (cat/muff box occasionally hits)-need to adjust it. The kickstand is a bit long (didn’t want to buy the nice alloy adjustable stand as I had on my FJR1300) and now it’s more effort to get on the centerstand-naturally. 

Waiting for some Sw-Motech engine guards to arrive, quote was 8 weeks lol!

The active suspension is…jury is out as of yet. So far, no real complaints except it would be nice if it had more than two settings.

Electronics in general are overwhelming especially since I’m 65 lol. And the dash font is sooo small, hard to read with my old eyes. Once you know where everything is it’s not un-tolerable.

Cruise control & heated grips are awesome, seat is not too horrible (also waiting for the factory touring seat - been 8 months).

Handlebars need more sweep for my liking, your results may vary.

Did the 600-mile service myself (15-yr retired Tech) and the throttle body synch wasn’t too horrible (1st time is always the hardest).

I really like the Tracer quick shifter it’s the bomb. I feel like a MotoGP rider banging gears-it backfires every shift!

Very crisp bike, with all the right mods done as far as i can see!
I did end up buying the 2021 Tracer 9 (non GT) but specced up with almost all the GT parts
 Stoked for 1st of march when i can ride it !!

Quick side question as i am getting to know the bike

I'v noticed that there only is a rebound adjuster on the top right suspension, there is no adjuster on the left fork. 
This is mysterious to me, i'v never had a bike that had uneven adjustment. Is this just how it is? 

Obviously its different on the GT Spec

3 hours ago, vic said:

Hi Sunde

 

i see you have a tank bag ring on the bike.  Which type is it?

Enjoy the bike. I’m expecting to pick mine up in March  

Vic

Hi Vic, The brand is SW motech
Really good bag and fitting is easy (if you own the 2021 T9 make sure you get the riser kit)
if not just follow the websites listing. 

43 minutes ago, rlambke19 said:

Very nice!

Which dash protector did you go with? I have the Speedo Angels one, but it's 8 pieces and honestly - I haven't out it on yet as it looks like a nightmare.

Rob 

Hi Rob, i bought one from Eazi Grip its a pretty good kit honestly, 4 pieces (1 pr screen) Fitting is a little time consuming, but very doable.

Got it home, trade went smooth.
 So far have installed and toned screen (can still see through tho) dashboard protection, tank grips and a rad guard. And on top of that i have ceramic coated basically everything, should make it easy to maintain for a while. I'll probably adjust the handlebares a bit forward as i feel them a bit close, other than that i wont mess with it untill i have ridden it and seen if i want anything else done.

The quality and fit/finish is really good as far as i can tell, i am SUPER stoked to go for a ride in a few weeks time

Some terrible pics from my basement.