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Ok, it's been a month of waiting but the kit from Part Shark is finally here at the local post office waiting to be picked up ... tomorrow! I'm hoping to be able to attack the job tomorrow but it will depend on committments. I'm hoping it all goes well. I have my heat gun, clutch basket holding tool, rattle gun (if required), information gathered from numerous sources on how to do including the great advice from those here (you know who you are) and a fridge full of beers if it all goes pearshaped! Wish me luck!

In the interests of full transparency and openness, I too have actually had a mail in ECU flash done by Kev Hope AKA 'KevTx' around July 2017 for my 2015 Tracer. I've also installed his O2 sensor just before that and did his throttle mod! And I agree, the bike is a whole lot smoother all round for having had it done and I'm very happy with it. However, the question still stands that the mapping must be a compromise/average based on statements made in this thread from the experts that say that no two bikes of the same model/year with the same exhaust will map the same way. The only sure way is to do them on a dyno. I guess it makes sense. Is it then a potentially bad thing to do a mail in ECU flash? Probably not as there are many benefits to be had. But for the OCD types like me there's always the niggling doubt that it's just not perfect. I'm sure I can live with it though. 🙂

So I wonder what do you get in regards to mapping with a mail in ECU flash? I know that there are certain switches that are/can be applied - decel cut, fan temp changes, engine braking changes, removal of speed restrictions etc which are global, but the mapping when not on a dyno...?? I can only assume that it's a compromise map?

Sorry I should not have been so assuming that everyone would know what the 'dog bones' are. I installed the Yamaha lowering kit links - AKA dog bones (see image for why they're called that 🙂) to - you guessed it - lower the bike. They're not really directly associated with the sidestand as they go in the rear suspension/swingarm area. The only reason I mentioned them was because the bike tends to be just a little more vertical with the sidestand deployed as the bike, after installation, is a little bit closer to the ground afterward. Hope that makes sense. Bottom line is - get the foot! You won't be any worse off. 🙂

I have the same Chinese one as others have mentioned above and can say that I've used the pegs to mount/dismount for the same reasons you've mentioned and have had no issues. I've also had the lowering dog bones installed and so the bike is a little more upright on the stand compared to a bike that hasn't been lowered. Having said that, the 'foot' can only do so much. The short answer to your question in my experience though is yes, it is more stable. YMMV of course. 🙂

Hi Therealal, Yes sorry I didn't mean for my post to be a direct question to you, although on reread it does come across that way, but more of a general 'think aloud' to see what might emerge from the congregation. I had considered asking him directly but that might come over as being a bit too nosey into something that he's put a lot of work into to establish. However I did in fact send him an email to just ask about a stand alone CC function that may answer the question anyway ... he hasn't replied as yet. Cheers

Thanks for the feedback Therealal. I'm seeing a current cost of ~AU$865 (GST inc) for the McCruise option so it's just a little under twice the price if you fit it yourself I assume which is still significant. So I'm still a bit confused (not hard these days), while it appears that you can selectively choose to only activate the cruise control option from the second Trim program, you still have to flash the ECU first. So does that mean that the original (or whatever previous flash was there) tuning parameters are left unchanged if you only turn on the CC with the TRIM program? I'm certainly no expert but am wondering if the 1st flash program is just adding a bootloader to the ECU that then allows/facilitates it to be written to with the TRIM program, now & in the future, where all of the actual changes are done? The statement by Tuneboy above (if I've interpreted it correctly - always open to debate🤔) would appear to indicate that nothing gets changed unless you make it that way via the TRIM program? By extension then you would think that your ECU would remain unchanged until the appropriate 'switches' are flipped in the TRIM program and so you could then just have CC as a stand alone option if desired?! The above is all speculation on my part of course and I may be way off the mark but I have to wonder.... if Tuneboy doesn't like changing maps without putting the bike on a dyno then does the flash change anything related to mapping in the first place and it is all in fact done via the TRIM program?? On a related/unrelated note, does anyone know where a LITEON AP900 can be sourced from at the right price? (AKA Command Cruise Control). Just the unit itself. Cheers.

And when you say ... it's really cheap .... what sort of dollars are we talking? The only link I could find was for the Tuneboy CC and ECU tune package that was ~AU$450. Is that the amount you're referring to?

That's very kind of you 🙂 4500km ride... wow. How long is that planned to take you? Getting in before the Cyclones whip up eh? Good thinking.

The following is a direct quote (extract) from the Tuneboy site:- It will be interesting if an email comes back that says it will resume?! On the face of it, it seems like an elegant, if not perfect, solution for adding Cruise Control without having to add anything substantial to the bike. I'm like many here who would be happy with just the CC option alone. It would also be interesting/informative to see a video or some kind of review of this in action on an actual Tracer. @Therealal interested? 🙂 Having said all that I do however like the McCruise solution as it seems the most tested and complete and behaves more like a traditional CC. But it does require extra parts and cabling and is more expensive. Interesting....

They really are a beautifully made seat by the looks of your photos. The attention to detail is right up there and I for one do like the look/styling. The blue stitching for your next seat... yes you'll be getting it 🙂 ..... will work a treat with your GT's colour scheme. I think I'm going to have to get one for my 2015 Tracer iteration! As I've mentioned previously, I've had 3 goes at getting my original seat 'right' but have never been really happy with the end results. Hmmm... temptations! When in doubt, straight to the horse's mouth is the way to go. Good luck.

Yes I'm keen to hear how your flash new suspension shapes up on a more serious ride as well. Lets hope the state isn't still on fire by then and you can see through the smoke! ☹️ I've had a play with that 'configerateur' myself and have to say it's almost annoying due to the mountain of options! 'I just want milk that tastes like real milk' - with less than 2% crap.... if you make the connection 🙂

Or maybe they've simply changed the seat style from the original. Here's another EU site that reflects that part number.

OK?? That's good news but all very confusing as that is the part number (5372Z) quoted & can be seen in the image in the Silverstone ad I posted earlier that had the seat that looked like it wasn't the one for the 2019 GT?! Who knows, maybe they just got the photo wrong or it wasn't available at the time of listing the ad?! Anyway, your supplier/contact should have the good oil.

I did wonder hence the question marks in my sentences. I did notice that that same part number (5372Z) on another site only mentions the 2018 GT.... are they different in the seating between 18-19? Anyway, should have known it would be too good to be true from all I've read so far regarding availability of the new product. Ha! You could be their Aussie liaison procurement man on the ground! Fantastique! In reference to the bush fires - yes, the closest bush fires are a little North of me ATM but it's a bit of a worry as you know. I'm on an acreage with trees around and rely solely on tank water. The tanks are about half full ATM because it's been so dry and so that's another concern. It was very ordinary yesterday with that strong gusting S/Wester blowing a gale. Certainly didn't help those up in the Peregian area. I'm just a little bit nervous with a forecast of strong Southerlies today! It is what it is and this is Australia after all. Just got to be vigilant and prepared as much as possible. Thanks for asking. 👍 🙂

Ah OK re Silverstone. Motostorm was another I was going to mention but you are all over it, as they say. 🙂 I see that the local distributor is using one of your earlier glowing posts in their advertising for the Bagster products! I reckon that should qualify you for a free sample of the new seat you seek.... of course just for testing and reporting for them! 😉

@wordsmith Is this what you are wating for? - SILVERSTONE MOTOR It's showing as suitable for 2019 GT?

If anyone's interested... Chromeburner has got 15% off Bagster seats ATM. Stock may be limited but seems like good value?!

Is there any need to check/adjust wheel balance with these things installed? .... or are they really too light to create any real issue? Just curious.

EDIT:- Just found your post from back in July that refers to the subject that answers my questions. 🙂

I would have to agree with you, just looking at your photos alone, that they are made to a very high standard. And yes the red piping and lettering does make it look that little bit more classy. Out of curiousity, what made you choose the BAGSTER over all of the others makes that are out there? Did you have the opportunity to test ride one first or just go on recommendations? Also did you choose a low seat or standard? Cheers and thanks again.

Well done wordsmith! I didn't expect you to get back with a review quite so soon considering the ones and zeros of your PC were up to hijinks! Nice collection of pics there as well. Just from your photos I can see that the RD workshop is very orderly, neat and tidy. That usually speaks volumes of how things operate within a business. That rear sag measuring device is very flash! Looks like it would give accurate and very repeatable measurements when compared to using a tape measure. Can I assume that 37mm, as displayed, was your final sag measurement front and rear? Had a chuckle at the following quote. 🙂 While you have done a major upgrade in one hit I am 'fortunate' to have split my cost by having the front shocks upgraded (Andreani) a couple of years back which I had done in a suspension shop as I too didn't have the tools (or courage) to attack that job. I'm happy to do the rear shock though as that seems relatively straight forward and there are several 'You Tubes' on how to do it. This is the part I'm particularly intrigued about:- As we are almost identical weight wise and I'm assuming riding style wise, what did Mr. Salter from RD do with the rear shock spring ? Did he change it out or was it left as the standard issue stock 95N spring? I too very much like to flat foot as much as possible and the fact that there is height adjustment with the Razor R is a real bonus. Did Joe adjust the front to compensate for the rear being lowered do you know? i.e. raise the forks through the triple clamps? And yes the Gen 1 seat. I've had work done on mine three times now to try and reshape it to my liking! The final iteration is 'OK' but not OK if you know what I mean. Before I started that journey I baulked at the high cost of aftermarket seats but in retrospect should have gone down that path as I've probably paid that, and then some, and still not entirely satisfied. Sounds like you loved your 1st BAGSTER. I'm tipping that you will succumb to the fond memories of the original and there will be another one on order before too long. 🙂 Anyway, thanks very much for your feedback on this exercise. I for one certainly appreciate it. Cheers.

Huzzah! Firstly, commiserations over the death of your PC followed by congratulations that it has once again risen from the ashes like the proverbial phoenix and secondly for the roller coaster ride that I went on when I read the following part of your experience with the new install.... OK so at the end of the day you are clearly pleased with the result. Excellent! I now look forward to your detailed 'full report'! I assume you will be posting that over on your GT supension improvements thread? Cheers and congrats.

@wordsmith any news? Don't mean to harass you but I'm like a kid at the window of the lolly shop stepping from foot to foot hoping for a free sample! 🙂 Did you have the work done on Tuesday? Is it that you are doing a thorough test before posting your findings?! Sorry....I'll leave you alone now.......

I too had the dreaded 'numb hands/fingers' issue a couple of years back and tried heavier bar ends which didn't help too much if at all. Then I added thicker padded hand grips - so called 'pussy grips' - yes insulting I know - to see if that made any difference but they didn't! Then I came across some information about the possibility of vibration being induced from the throttle bodies being out of sync. What's this all about I thought!? Long story short, I invested (relatively cheaply) in a vacuum tool from Carbtune based in Ireland, went ahead and tuned/synced my carbs with it and haven't looked back. My results showed that my carbs were slightly out of sync which I adjusted and at that stage I was sceptical that it would make any difference but after putting everything back together ..... vibrations were gone! So much so that I removed the heavy bar ends and put back my light bling aluminium bar ends. I left the spongy grips on only because I was too lazy to remove them but certainly could have done so. I have not suffered from the numb hands since... seriously. I can provide some details of the tool and a before and after video of my pre and post carb sync if anyone's interested. I think "Two Wheel Obsession" on You Tube had a good tutorial video on it a few years ago if you're interested in researching. If you've tried everything else to get rid of the vibrations then this might be worth considering.