First real issue - Bike stopped suddenly mid ride!

[dazzler24]

11 hours ago, heli5 said:

I had this happen to me during my first time touring on the 900 GT with only a couple of hundred miles on it. It came to a stop at the side of the road and would only restart with the clutch engaged. Every time I released the clutch the engine cut out. After phoning the dealer ( who was not able to help other than suggesting the clutch switch or side stand switch may be faulty I removed the seat and wiggled some of the wires around. The bike then restarted ok (but with the engine check light on) and ran perfectly for a number of miles until I got to my overnight destination. On arrival I removed the seat again and experimented by wiggling the large connector near the battery and discovered that the engine would cut out as I did it. I have now applied electrical grease (dielectric grease) to the terminals in that connector block and the problem has never reoccurred in the last couple of years.

Thanks for the potential tip.  I will have a look in the area you've mentioned in case connections have corroded/loosened.

Having said that, I've been out a several times since the incident and (touch wood) it hasn't occurred again.

[dazzler24]

Thought I'd jinx myself by following up on this earlier post from last year by saying that I've not experienced the original issue again since, and I've been on quite a few outings since then.

There, I've done it now!

I'm thinking the issue was because the key wasn't quite completely latched into the ON position - or at least that's my best assumption/guess for anyone that might ever come across a similar symptom.

[2and3cylinders]

On my shake down run of 95 miles my 15 cut out at around 40 miles after running fine. It ran a bit before completely dieing as I tried to rev it higher. It finally died when I revd it above 7k. Unfortunately I was on a freeway with a posted speed limit of 70 mph.  While this occurred over several miles, I past and exit hoping to get to my intended exit 3 miles ahead.  When it finally died I calmly coasted to a stop along a concrete wall far from the next exit.  Kind of scary but traffic was light.

I suspect old E10 gas from last October that I siphoned out of the tank into a plastic gas can to lighten the tank when I removed it for under tank access maintenance.  Then, when I poured the same gas back into the tank, it maybe contained some crud from the gas can, and that is what caused my issue. 

On the road shoulder, I did not see any fault codes, and turned off and then on the ignition,  and it fired right back up.

Off I went and a short while later it started to actually again. It would rev but not high enough before it started to die but didn't cough. While still rolling I hit the start switch and it would pick back up.  This occurred two times including when I exited at my target gas station. 

I filled up with E10 93 RON and it fired right up there, and I let it run there through 5 fan on off cycles then headed the 45 miles back to the Bret Cave.

Only the way home I initially kept the revs down, the picked it up fluctuating around 80 + mph to keep with the flow of traffic.   I got off the freeway (Interstate 94 south of Milwaukee) before it becomes 294 tollroad in Illinois and took US 41 south home which becomes 94 freeway again in Highland Park (where the 4th of July mass shooting occurred 2 years ago).

I really ran the fastest red through it's paces on the return leg,  +115, trolling 20 the snapping up to 50, then down again, working all the gears and Modes, hitting the back torque limiter, bouncing over bumps, etc.

It didn't miss a beat.

When I got home I added a strong dose of Techron, bounced the bike to fully mix it up and ran it through 5 more fan on/off cycles.

Nothing, no more hiccups. 

I'm going to check for trouble codes maybe today. I never did like I said I would a year ago in this thread but did reset the APS again during the major service completed just prior to this shake down run. I also recalibrated the McCruise,  which at first I thought could have caused the issue and turned it off during my roadside stop. But it happened twice (or thrice?) more with it off and I had it on heading home so I doubt it's the McCruise. 

So we'll see what the diagnostics reveal, and I'll report back. 

The only other time I had a different running issue is when after another major service I failed to fully snap in one of the plugs to the ECU.

Doh Homer!

[dazzler24]

@2and3cylinders - wow, this was coincidental!   Looking forward to seeing what you find. 

[2and3cylinders]

Mr. D

So side stand switch screws are 5 mm? x what length?

Bolt, Button Head

92014-05020-00

I want them in hand when I replace them with standard SS socket head screws & lock washers.

What size & type are the 4 side stand switch cover screws?

As I said last year, If I would have known they put red Loctite on them!!!

I may have kept the one I replaced.  If I recall they were about 1" long...

Thanks

[dazzler24]

8 hours ago, 2and3cylinders said:

Mr. D

So side stand switch screws are 5 mm? x what length?

Bolt, Button Head

92014-05020-00

I want them in hand when I replace them with standard SS socket head screws & lock washers.

What size & type are the 4 side stand switch cover screws?

As I said last year, If I would have known they put red Loctite on them!!!

I may have kept the one I replaced.  If I recall they were about 1" long...

Thanks

I can't tell you for certain 2and3 as at the time I threw them into the bin in a bout of crankiness.  However, I think I replaced them with 5 x 25mm ones. As you say, about an inch.  It's not that critical as they go through the mount and are clear of any interference on the backside anyway.

Now, the four cover screws...🤔  I have to say that I can't recollect their details other than to say that they came out without any issues so maybe not worth worrying about IMHO.

So, can I assume that you think it may be your side-stand switch that is giving you the grief?  Or are you playing safe.

[2and3cylinders]

8 hours ago, dazzler24 said:

I can't tell you for certain 2and3 as at the time I threw them into the bin in a bout of crankiness.  However, I think I replaced them with 5 x 25mm ones. As you say, about an inch.  It's not that critical as they go through the mount and are clear of any interference on the backside anyway.

Now, the four cover screws...🤔  I have to say that I can't recollect their details other than to say that they came out without any issues so maybe not worth worrying about IMHO.

So, can I assume that you think it may be your side-stand switch that is giving you the grief?  Or are you playing safe.

No just being a boy scout 

Thanks for the info 

Need to do work work today before I get into the trouble codes 😕 

[dazzler24]

On 5/1/2024 at 2:08 AM, 2and3cylinders said:

No just being a boy scout 

Thanks for the info 

Need to do work work today before I get into the trouble codes 😕 

Sooooo....  It's been over a month.  Did you ever get to the bottom of your issue?   Trouble codes give you any clues?  Or have you just decided that it's all not worth worrying about?

[2and3cylinders]

4 hours ago, dazzler24 said:

Sooooo....  It's been over a month.  Did you ever get to the bottom of your issue?   Trouble codes give you any clues?  Or have you just decided that it's all not worth worrying about?

Thanks for following up.

I did check for codes but nothing came up that would explain the incident.  So I cleared what was there, after understanding most what they reflected. 

Then, on the way home on my last reported ride, at high speed again and without warning, it lost power Again! With my ear plugs in it was hard to tell but I believe the engine was still idling but the tachometer was blank a I coasted to the shoulder in luckily lightly traffic. I again turned it off and on and it fired right up.

Back in the Bret Cave I again checked for codes but I could not discern any but maybe I was forshimmeled and wasn't doing it right, so I found nothing to clear.  I might try again with a clearer head.

Se attached photos I took which I don't think reflect a trouble code?

[draco_1967]

Don't you have an MCCruise? I have experienced that exact thing on my '19 Tracer. Cruising along on the highway, and suddenly I have no throttle response. The engine is still running, but I get nothing from the throttle. 

When I pull the code ('19+ has OBDII) it's a TPS voltage error code. I think it was a loose connection at one of the MCCruise connectors, but I can't 100% verify that. It happened a couple of times on a trip, then I tore into the bike and checked all the connectors (made sure all the wires were fully seated, contacts were clean, etc. It hasn't happened since (*knock wood*).

[2and3cylinders]

9 hours ago, draco_1967 said:

Don't you have an MCCruise? I have experienced that exact thing on my '19 Tracer. Cruising along on the highway, and suddenly I have no throttle response. The engine is still running, but I get nothing from the throttle. 

When I pull the code ('19+ has OBDII) it's a TPS voltage error code. I think it was a loose connection at one of the MCCruise connectors, but I can't 100% verify that. It happened a couple of times on a trip, then I tore into the bike and checked all the connectors (made sure all the wires were fully seated, contacts were clean, etc. It hasn't happened since (*knock wood*).

Thanks.

I have a 15 which you conviently self diagnose with the Reset and TCS buttons, not with a 4-wire plug adapter cable and OBD 2 dongle.

I hadn't thought thati might be a MCCruise connection.  The question is which connection there are some under the tank that were "spiced" into a E. C. U plug which I doubt came loose. Then there's one up at the clutch lever. I don't think the ones that go into the Mcruz brain could come loose.

Hmmmm

 

[dazzler24]

3 hours ago, 2and3cylinders said:

Thanks.

I have a 15 which you conviently self diagnose with the Reet and TCS buttons, not with a 4-wire pug adapter cable and OBD 2 donle.

I hadn't thought thati might be a MCCruise connection.  The question is which connection there are some under the tank that were "spiced" into a E. C. U plug which I doubt came loose. Then there's one up at the clutch lever. I don't think the ones that go into the Mcruz brain could come loose.

Hmmmm

 

Hmmm indeed!  Another one of those electrical gremlin issues potentially.  That was interesting what @draco_1967 said.  Especially if your bike was still idling as well just like his did.

Also, I learned a new Yiddish word today - forshimmeled!  Think I'll incorporate it into my everyday language and enjoy the puzzled responses. 🤣 

[skipperT]

On 6/11/2024 at 4:25 AM, 2and3cylinders said:

Thanks for following up.

I did check for codes but nothing came up that would explain the incident.  So I cleared what was there, after understanding most what they reflected. 

Then, on the way home on my last reported ride, at high speed again and without warning, it lost power Again! With my ear plugs in it was hard to tell but I believe the engine was still idling but the tachometer was blank a I coasted to the shoulder in luckily lightly traffic. I again turned it off and on and it fired right up.

Back in the Bret Cave I again checked for codes but I could not discern any but maybe I was forshimmeled and wasn't doing it right, so I found nothing to clear.  I might try again with a clearer head.

Se attached photos I took which I don't think reflect a trouble code?

No those pics don’t reflect a DTC. 
check in channel 60 and 61  If you clear the codes and the code count is still 01, that means you have an ACTIVE DTC as opposed to a historic DTC. 

-Skip

[draco_1967]

16 hours ago, 2and3cylinders said:

Thanks.

I have a 15 which you conviently self diagnose with the Reset and TCS buttons, not with a 4-wire plug adapter cable and OBD 2 dongle.

I hadn't thought thati might be a MCCruise connection.  The question is which connection there are some under the tank that were "spiced" into a E. C. U plug which I doubt came loose. Then there's one up at the clutch lever. I don't think the ones that go into the Mcruz brain could come loose.

Hmmmm

 

I wish I knew which connection it was. I checked most of them, including the splice into the ECU (that's the TPS reading comes from). All looked good and secure, but maybe electrons were escaping from somewhere...😆

I don't think it would be any of the clutch or brake sensors. I did have an issue with the clutch sensor when I installed my bark busters. They interfered with the connector, which caused the cruise to be inoperable (it was receiving a signal that the clutch was engaged).

It is such a sporadic problem, and I couldn't find a way to trigger the error. It just seemed to happen at random times. 

[2and3cylinders]

4 hours ago, skipperT said:

No those pics don’t reflect a DTC. 
check in channel 60 and 61  If you clear the codes and the code count is still 01, that means you have an ACTIVE DTC as opposed to a historic DTC. 

-Skip

Great, thanks

uh, then wutidu?

I'm so confused.

I get that way.

I'll try again l o l