buckybuk Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Well said. I've edited a couple of the posts in this thread because I am quite pissed and got a bit snarky for some. Hopefully they now convey my point without being offensive. My apologies. Thanks for allowing me to vent. You didn't offend me at all. You assumed like everyone else that has bought an 850 cc bike that it will do what every other 850cc bike will do.Personally I'm pissed myself. I knew something was wrong when I hit 115 and it started stuttering. All you guys pointing fingers at this guy because he had high expectations for a bike he paid his hard earned money telling him to stop whining and sell his bike is BS. ***NICE SHOW OF SUPPORT FELLAS !**** You finger pointers ever had any bike over 115 mph """"probably not"""". 2016 R1 2015 FJ-09-------SOLD 2002 Wr250F 2014 Concours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameron12x Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I have personally reached out to J.D. Hord (someone who tunes the FZ-09) about this. (http://www.hordpower.com) Regardless of what Yamaha does (or doesn't) do the aftermarket will ultimately address this issue with workarounds and solutions. Even though I've owned sportbikes before, it's not a big issue for ME from a street rideability perspective. However, I DO empathize with others who DO want to this bike for track days and/or aggressive street riding. The BIGGEST question for me is whether the crippling of the engine is being done for safety reasons because of the frame geometry and how the bike handles at high speed. Many folks have already complained of high-speed wobbles with the bike. Yamaha needs to come clean in a hurry on this. Word spreads fast because of the Internet these days, and sales of the FJ-09 could take a hit, depending on how Yamaha handles this. To each their own. Your mileage may vary. Have fun and ride safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracerforme Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Folks, I have to admit I don't have one or have yet to test ride one, but logic tells me, this ain't no track bike period. Keep focus on what this bike is foremost. Just enjoy it, so eventually I can.... Cheers, Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FigJam-OhNine Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Well said. I've edited a couple of the posts in this thread because I am quite pissed and got a bit snarky for some. Hopefully they now convey my point without being offensive. My apologies. Thanks for allowing me to vent. You didn't offend me at all. You assumed like everyone else that has bought an 850 cc bike that it will do what every other 850cc bike will do.Personally I'm pissed myself. I knew something was wrong when I hit 115 and it started stuttering. All you guys pointing fingers at this guy because he had high expectations for a bike he paid his hard earned money telling him to stop whining and sell his bike is BS. ***NICE SHOW OF SUPPORT FELLAS !**** You finger pointers ever had any bike over 115 mph """"probably not"""". Part of the problem was that his original posts (before being edited) were speaking like we were all in his argument together. That was the root of some of the major blowback on the issue. For many of us, this is not something we see as an issue, so we didn't like words being put in our mouths. It made people lash back. That said, does any manufacturer in North America advertise the speed limits they put on their bikes? No. Do most manufacturers put speed limits on their bikes? Yes. Shouldn't come as a surprise. Sport cars or sport bikes, this is an industry standard practice in North America. People fix it with flash tunes if it bothers them. Besides, isn't modding your bike part of the game when you're riding track? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameron12x Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 OK, here is the skinny, from J.D. Hord's perspective. (www.hordpower.com) "I'm clueless on the FJ version, haven't had one in here yet. But I do know that the FZ was limited to approximately 120mph. It varies a little bit per gear, because it seems they are limiting the rpm to 11,300 in 4th, 9,900 in 5th, and 8,700 in 6th, instead of limiting the actual speed. I'm attaching 2 charts that illustrate what's going on. One chart is power vs. speed and the other is power vs. rpm. The dark blue line is 6th gear, brown is 5th gear, and teal is 4th gear. The other blue line is the result after de-restriction and mapping. (Flash Tune and PC5) As you can see, they really reined in the power in stock form. You may post these charts to the forum but please give credit to me. J.D. Hord www.hordpower.com 419-563-0348 The "de-restricted" power curve looks pretty nice! Thoughts anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadscum Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Well said. I've edited a couple of the posts in this thread because I am quite pissed and got a bit snarky for some. Hopefully they now convey my point without being offensive. My apologies. Thanks for allowing me to vent. You didn't offend me at all. You assumed like everyone else that has bought an 850 cc bike that it will do what every other 850cc bike will do.Personally I'm pissed myself. I knew something was wrong when I hit 115 and it started stuttering. All you guys pointing fingers at this guy because he had high expectations for a bike he paid his hard earned money telling him to stop whining and sell his bike is BS. ***NICE SHOW OF SUPPORT FELLAS !**** You finger pointers ever had any bike over 115 mph """"probably not"""". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deersSlayer Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 OK, here is the skinny, from J.D. Hord's perspective. (www.hordpower.com) "I'm clueless on the FJ version, haven't had one in here yet. But I do know that the FZ was limited to approximately 120mph. It varies a little bit per gear, because it seems they are limiting the rpm to 11,300 in 4th, 9,900 in 5th, and 8,700 in 6th, instead of limiting the actual speed. I'm attaching 2 charts that illustrate what's going on. One chart is power vs. speed and the other is power vs. rpm. The dark blue line is 6th gear, brown is 5th gear, and teal is 4th gear. The other blue line is the result after de-restriction and mapping. (Flash Tune and PC5) As you can see, they really reined in the power in stock form. You may post these charts to the forum but please give credit to me. J.D. Hord www.hordpower.com 419-563-0348 The "de-restricted" power curve looks pretty nice! Thoughts anyone? Did JD tell you the cost for that? FJ-09, 690 Enduro R. Back Roads. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadscum Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I'm not sure what "support" you expect from me??In the US I'm not aware of any manufacturer that advertises a top speed for a motorcycle. What reason would you have for expecting the Yamaha US to give back your money or "fix it".... fix what? I anxiously wait their response. If ya wanted to go fast, buy a fast bike... a Panigale, R1, S1000 RR, etc.... Have I been over 115 mph....... hell YES, every time I went to the track, not sure how fast because I tape over the speedo so as not to be distracted by measurements of speed because top speed really isn't important to me.... it's about skills baby, S-K-I-L-L-S! I have nothing to prove and top speed capability is highly over rated. On the street I generally don't ride more then 10-15 over but have on a occasion bested that. I've gotten to be an old rider by riding smart and riding safe on the public roadways, at least it's worked for me in my 55+ years of riding. I think all this bitching about top speed and how Yamaha failed ya is simply chicken shit..... pure chicken shit. Me, I'd be more concerned about the history of failed CCT's on the FZ and now potentially on the FJ, or the piss poor design of the oil pan with a drain plug that is easily ripped from the oil pan... YIKES! Perhaps if ya'll spend more time ride'n your FJ-09 and less time riding the interweb you'd find you inter peace and then you'd stop your bitching! Just say'n...... As always YMMV! Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucktownbilly Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Please keep me posted asap. Have one on order that I have not picked up yet. Between being limited and now reports of CCT's acting up I just might pull the plug. My FZ6 that I have never had a problem with and cruises at 130 easily is starting to look a lot better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameron12x Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 OK, here is the skinny, from J.D. Hord's perspective. (www.hordpower.com) "I'm clueless on the FJ version, haven't had one in here yet. But I do know that the FZ was limited to approximately 120mph. It varies a little bit per gear, because it seems they are limiting the rpm to 11,300 in 4th, 9,900 in 5th, and 8,700 in 6th, instead of limiting the actual speed. I'm attaching 2 charts that illustrate what's going on. One chart is power vs. speed and the other is power vs. rpm. The dark blue line is 6th gear, brown is 5th gear, and teal is 4th gear. The other blue line is the result after de-restriction and mapping. (Flash Tune and PC5) As you can see, they really reined in the power in stock form. You may post these charts to the forum but please give credit to me. J.D. Hord www.hordpower.com 419-563-0348 The "de-restricted" power curve looks pretty nice! Thoughts anyone? Did JD tell you the cost for that? No, you'll need to contact him directly for a price. He does great work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eatpasta Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Im fascinated by the polarization about this....and our boards' first argument! We're growin' up so fast.... *sniff* :'( IMHO this reeks of Yamaha's "squid test" a few years back when they said the R6 would reach (dont remember the exact RPM) ~16,000 RPM and when people bought it, the bike only reached 15,000 RPM and everyone panicked. Yamaha said they would buy back the bikes from the people who upset about it and eventually it was called the Squid Test because the bike is still unbelievably capable and those riders who were deeply offended in missing the 800 RPM at the stratospheric heights of upwards of 15,000 (even though that's probably past the point of diminishing returns and is in the category of over-run) were missing the point, Furthermore, probably only about .1% of the riders out there would ever use that bike to within 40% of its full potential. I guess the point Im trying to make is that the FJ is an incredibly capable bike and to invalidate it or discredit it simply because you're not getting 20% of it's performance in one gear, to put it simply, is silly. Yes, I would be upset about it as well but how often do ANY of us ever exceed 100? I ride an FJR all the time, usually above 80 and I rarely make it over 100. As for track days, they are track days. They aren't races - this isnt a race bike. If you cant get your jollys in under 100, you've never done a Supermoto school. If the 115 top speed is a deal breaker for you, get rid of the bike and go buy a ZX-14, until you realize it's limited to 186 - ohhh that right godamothFU@#@ - or - fix the problem and move to the salt flats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vespadaddy Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I wonder if there's any chance it's just speed limited for the first thousand miles? The owners manual says that the motor can be operated normally after 1,000 miles. Page 6-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckybuk Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I'm not sure what "support" you expect from me??In the US I'm not aware of any manufacturer that advertises a top speed for a motorcycle. What reason would you have for expecting the Yamaha US to give back your money or "fix it".... fix what? I anxiously wait their response. If ya wanted to go fast, buy a fast bike... a Panigale, R1, S1000 RR, etc.... Have I been over 115 mph....... hell YES, every time I went to the track, not sure how fast because I tape over the speedo so as not to be distracted by measurements of speed because top speed really isn't important to me.... it's about skills baby, S-K-I-L-L-S! I have nothing to prove and top speed capability is highly over rated. On the street I generally don't ride more then 10-15 over but have on a occasion bested that. I've gotten to be an old rider by riding smart and riding safe on the public roadways, at least it's worked for me in my 55+ years of riding. I think all this bitching about top speed and how Yamaha failed ya is simply chicken shit..... pure chicken shit. Me, I'd be more concerned about the history of failed CCT's on the FZ and now potentially on the FJ, or the piss poor design of the oil pan with a drain plug that is easily ripped from the oil pan... YIKES! Perhaps if ya'll spend more time ride'n your FJ-09 and less time riding the interweb you'd find you inter peace and then you'd stop your bitching! Just say'n...... As always YMMV! Paul _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Support ???????? How about not trying to impose what "YOU" believe on others to be absolute fact ! In this case just [strong]not saying anything at all[/strong] would have been much more constructive then telling someone to stop whining and buy another bike.We all have such a big "E-Penis" heres mine 8===================D BIG LOL 2016 R1 2015 FJ-09-------SOLD 2002 Wr250F 2014 Concours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papac2000 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I wonder if there's any chance it's just speed limited for the first thousand miles? The owners manual says that the motor can be operated normally after 1,000 miles. Page 6-4We have had a member confirm that at 1700mi its still limited. This has become quite a contentious issue, not sure we are doing much but going in circles. I'd hate to see another locked thread..... 2015 Matte Grey Modded stock exhaust, modded stock screen, modded stock seat, OEM heated grips, LED indicators, FlashTuned ECU, ZX10R shock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eatpasta Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I think ya'll need to be more careful when you're quoting people - it's getting really confusing trying to figure out who is saying what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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