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Harley Davidson is closing a plant and laying off 800 people

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Link https://jalopnik.com/harley-davidson-is-sad-and-getting-sadder-1822557878
 
Quote "Harley made $8.3 million in the fourth quarter of 2017, compared with $47.18 million in the fourth quarter of 2016, according to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. The company has been in decline for years now, as sales have sagged because consumers are worried about things like safety. In addition, baby boomers, who bought a very large amount of motorcycles back in the day and remain a big part of Harley’s demographic, are also getting older."
 
 
MAybe AMF can buy them again? GuOyWyY.gif8wVkXgY.gifQizuyum.gif

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Link https://jalopnik.com/harley-davidson-is-sad-and-getting-sadder-1822557878 
Quote "Harley made $8.3 million in the fourth quarter of 2017, compared with $47.18 million in the fourth quarter of 2016, according to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. The company has been in decline for years now, as sales have sagged because consumers are worried about things like safety. In addition, baby boomers, who bought a very large amount of motorcycles back in the day and remain a big part of Harley’s demographic, are also getting older."
 
 
MAybe AMF can buy them again? GuOyWyY.gif8wVkXgY.gifQizuyum.gif
Here's a thought; Triumph Motorcycles is apparently not doing too well.   Maybe HD should buy that company, which would take it into an entirely new customer demographic, a much broader product range, and a(nother) well-accepted heritage brand.   I have for a very long time wondered why HD hasn't attempted to broaden its appeal away from a near-total concentration on heavy-duty old-fashioned cruisers - acquisition of Triumph would fix that at one fell swoop.    
Please send marketing consultancy fee in a plain brown envelope...

Wordsmith - a '39 model; bike - a 2019 Tracer 900 GT, Midnight Black and with many farklings.   Redland Bay, SE Queensland, Australia.

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Please send marketing consultancy fee in a plain brown envelope...
Oh no! Triumph is a great brand. Don't let HD ruin them. 
However, I do agree they need to broaden their appeal. They have too narrow focus. Buell was a disaster, and I don't think it was Eric Buell's fault. If Buell had been allowed to produce I4's to compete with the Japanese bikes, the motorcycling market would be a different place.

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From what I have read, they are closing the Kansas City factory in part because that is where they made the Dyna line, which is now extinct. I agree with some of the above comments that they need to change their marketing strategy to be competitive. I recently went to a HD dealership to check out the new Sport Glide, which was recently unveiled. I thought that it might be an updated version of my old Dyna T-Sport (FXDXT), which I loved. Here is a picture of the new 2018 Sport Glide):
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For comparison, here is the old Dyna T-Sport:
 
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A couple of points to note on the new model:
 
1) Single rotor front brake on a sport bike? Apparently, this was done to show off the new Mantis wheels specific for this bike.
2) Front controls on a sport bike?
3) The front suspension is not adjustable on the new model, whereas the old Dyna T-Sport was fully adjustable for compression, rebound and dampening.
4) The mini-batwing on the front has like a 2" high windshield (lol); the Dyna's was adjustable for height.
5) The new model is ~$24K (Cdn) before taxes, setup, PDI etc.
6) It comes with ABS and cruise control standard, which the old Dyna T-Sport did not.
 
Needless to say, it is not enough to entice me away from my FJ-09.
 
 
 

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To me Harley Davidson is not a motorcycle...for as long as I can recall, I cannot understand why Harley never followed its mission statement to be at the forefront of innovation... I cannot even find 3 things I like about a Harley to convince me enough to own one...
 
Harley just paid $12million USD in civil penalties, buy back all "tuners" in stock and destroy em all(so they cannot be "dumped/sold in another market"), re-cert all sold bikes with tuner, obtain all new emissions certs and the cost with building up new inventory of "tuners"
 
 

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Harley phucked up when they listened to their old time buyers who resisted change and innovation. Now, they are going hard after electric bikes, but the range on electric bikes is still way too short.  

The Harley electric scoot just has to make it to the local tavern, range shouldn't be an issue.  :D 

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News takes some time to filter all the way Down Here, so my comment was obviously based on old news.   Maybe I should have proposed that Triumph should take over H-D!   BTW - the link said the page was not available, so I cannot comment on specifics, but thank you.

Wordsmith - a '39 model; bike - a 2019 Tracer 900 GT, Midnight Black and with many farklings.   Redland Bay, SE Queensland, Australia.

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News takes some time to filter all the way Down Here, so my comment was obviously based on old news.   Maybe I should have proposed that Triumph should take over H-D!   BTW - the link said the page was not available, so I cannot comment on specifics, but thank you.
I wouldn't buy a Triumph now, they're all made in Thailand.  I know that's the modern way etc etc but if I see the Union Jack on branding I assume I'm buying British but I'm not, it's the cheap end of the far east....and all for a premium price too.  At least he FJ-09/MT-09 is made in Japan.

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I wouldn't buy a Triumph now, they're all made in Thailand.
A couple of comments:
 
No, they're not. Some Triumphs are still made in Hinckley: Speed Triple, Daytona, Rocket III, and a few others.
 
Second, so what? A lot of bikes are made in Thailand now. Some Hondas, all Ducati Scramblers, and soon some Harleys. Yamaha makes R3s and others in Indonesia.
 
Triumph's Thailand factories are unionized, their workers are paid well. We are in a globalized economy where a Ram 2500 pickup is by all definitions an import and the most American car in the US is a Toyota.

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 the most American car in the US is a Toyota.
Yup!

'15 FJ09

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I wouldn't buy a Triumph now, they're all made in Thailand.
A couple of comments: 
No, they're not. Some Triumphs are still made in Hinckley: Speed Triple, Daytona, Rocket III, and a few others.
 
Second, so what? A lot of bikes are made in Thailand now. Some Hondas, all Ducati Scramblers, and soon some Harleys. Yamaha makes R3s and others in Indonesia.
 
Triumph's Thailand factories are unionized, their workers are paid well. We are in a globalized economy where a Ram 2500 pickup is by all definitions an import and the most American car in the US is a Toyota.
It's easy to tell if a vehicle has been made in Thailand - if so, it comes out of the box with a distinct aroma of lemongrass. 
And FWIW, our best-ever and most reliable car was a Honda Civic made in Thailand.   Never spent a penny on it other than routine services and a new battery at one point.   We passed it on to our son, and used it occasionally when visiting him interstate - at 200,000+ km it looked and drove like near-new when cleaned up.   He later sold it and it seems it's still fine...

Wordsmith - a '39 model; bike - a 2019 Tracer 900 GT, Midnight Black and with many farklings.   Redland Bay, SE Queensland, Australia.

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A couple of comments: 
No, they're not. Some Triumphs are still made in Hinckley: Speed Triple, Daytona, Rocket III, and a few others.
 
Second, so what? A lot of bikes are made in Thailand now. Some Hondas, all Ducati Scramblers, and soon some Harleys. Yamaha makes R3s and others in Indonesia.
 
Triumph's Thailand factories are unionized, their workers are paid well. We are in a globalized economy where a Ram 2500 pickup is by all definitions an import and the most American car in the US is a Toyota.
It's easy to tell if a vehicle has been made in Thailand - if so, it comes out of the box with a distinct aroma of lemongrass. 
And FWIW, our best-ever and most reliable car was a Honda Civic made in Thailand.   Never spent a penny on it other than routine services and a new battery at one point.   We passed it on to our son, and used it occasionally when visiting him interstate - at 200,000+ km it looked and drove like near-new when cleaned up.   He later sold it and it seems it's still fine...
 
Entirely different to our Honda Civic experience... wifey’s car so not driven hard, rear brakes and discs worn out under 30k fronts not far after, shuddering clutch when used it hippy mode. Paper thin panels that dent very easily, and very strange radio issues that are almost impossible to replicate for warranty claims. Definitely won’t buy another Honda.

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Entirely different to our Honda Civic experience... wifey’s car so not driven hard, rear brakes and discs worn out under 30k fronts not far after, shuddering clutch when used it hippy mode. Paper thin panels that dent very easily, and very strange radio issues that are almost impossible to replicate for warranty claims. Definitely won’t buy another Honda.
Well, there ya go!

Wordsmith - a '39 model; bike - a 2019 Tracer 900 GT, Midnight Black and with many farklings.   Redland Bay, SE Queensland, Australia.

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