Oil drain plug missing gasket?

[bugie]

Hey all,

I am in the process of changing my oil and when removing the oil drain bolt realised i can't seem to see the gasket. Can someone please tell me if this oil drain plug is missing the gasket or not?

Thanks

[HGP61]

Check its not stuck itself to the sump casing seen that happen before

[bugie]

There isn't anything stuck on the sump casing as it's flush. so the drain plug pic looks like it is missing the gasket right?

[roadrash83]

@bugie The crush washer is on the drain plug. Take a small flat head screwdriver and separate it from the base of the drain plug.

[betoney]

47 minutes ago, roadrash83 said:

@bugie The crush washer is on the drain plug. Take a small flat head screwdriver and separate it from the base of the drain plug.

Agreed.

There should be a separate crush washer, usually silver.

[FJ29ER]

It is there. Just smooshed. Have fun getting it off. Always a pain.

 

Usually i take a small screwdriver and pry it up a bit then take some small wire cutters and cut it off.

Edited January 25, 2020 by FJ29ER

[nhchris]

And it is often a snug fit. I occasionally must thread my washer off the plug after lifting it with a small screwdriver.

Consider using a low-profile Mazda drain plug and washer.  (Yamaha washer = $4.50 USD,  Mazda washer  $0.75 USD!)

[keithu]

1 hour ago, nhchris said:

Consider using a low-profile Mazda drain plug and washer.  (Yamaha washer = $4.50 USD,  Mazda washer  $0.75 USD!)

Not that the Mazda plug and washer isn't a good idea, but $4.50 for the Yamaha washer sounds like gouging. I can't remember exactly what I pay, but the Yamaha filter and washer together costs me $16.75 from my dealer IIRC.

[bugie]

Thanks all managed to get it off. It was almost completely flat so have a sneaking suspicion the sealer may have been reusing it

[nhchris]

There is a school of thought that believes, in a pinch, that you can flip the washer 180 deg and reuse a second time.

Why a dealer would do that when he can over charge you for a new washer seems strange.

[koth442]

I only swap the little crush washer after it's been used a few times. Never an issue over 10+ bikes and 50,000 miles. 

[bugie]

4 hours ago, nhchris said:

There is a school of thought that believes, in a pinch, that you can flip the washer 180 deg and reuse a second time.

Why a dealer would do that when he can over charge you for a new washer seems strange.

Well when I turned up at the dealer, he was out of stock, said none were on order and told me that they often use honda ones instead. I think there are probably 10 year old bikes here running on the original washer

[betoney]

46 minutes ago, koth442 said:

I only swap the little crush washer after it's been used a few times. Never an issue over 10+ bikes and 50,000 miles. 

+1

I reuse the crush washer several times.  I use the low profile R1 drain plug, never had a leak.

[DavidS]

The washers are very cheap (<$1), so I buy a handful and replace them every time I change my oil. Honestly, I would feel really stupid if that ended up being what caused me to get stuck somewhere.

[nhchris]

Here's a weird oil story...

On my most recent change I pulled the plug and let her drain away.  Then I pulled the filter. Then I let the bike sit and drain for a several hours.

I installed the new filter and spun the plug in temporarily until I could get a new crush washer.  A few days later I had the washer and was ready to finish the job.

I spun the drain plug out to install the washer and about 3 oz of oil gushed onto the floor!

Where did all that oil come from?  Apparently full synth takes a  loooong time to drain completely.