rlambke19 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Clegg78 said: The front geometry changes also concern me a bit, looks like they made it a bit lazier with more rake and trail. Rake is now 25 degrees as opposed to 24 degrees on the 2020. Trail is 108mm vs 100mm on the 2020. Overall wheelbase is the same at 59.1". I honestly don't know much about the mathematics and how it translates to real world handling/performance. Are the increases above substantial enough to be "felt"? Rob Edited November 17, 2020 by rlambke19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlambke19 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 I admit, I am struggling with that dash though. Instead of one solid area to keep clean - there are now 4. Ugh. I can't quite tell, but it appears to be a large bolt head smack dab in the middle between the 2 screens. You know, right where your eyes will look when you look down. :-/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clegg78 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) 58 minutes ago, rlambke19 said: Rake is now 25 degrees as opposed to 24 degrees on the 2020. Trail is 108mm vs 100mm on the 2020. Overall wheelbase is the same at 59.1". I honestly don't know much about the mathematics and how it translates to real world handling/performance. Are the increases above substantial enough to be "felt"? Rob It can be, I have a motorcycle suspension and suspension design book around here somewhere, and from the last time I went through it it was talking about how minimal changes in the rake/trail cause dramatic effects. The general vibe is more rake, and more trail, the more stable the bike is but the more lazy it may be in corners. (There is a reason telescopic forks are used on most bikes because in one key way, they lower the trail when the bike compresses in a turn making steering sharper.) Now those numbers above are small changes, very small... but still could impact the sublime steering feel the FJ/MT/Tracers have had. here is a quick write up on what that means. The Tracer still has a very aggressive rake for a "touring" bike! Understanding a Motorcycle's Rake and Trail Spec charts sometimes quote rake and trail numbers for a... Edited November 17, 2020 by Clegg78 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clegg78 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 48 minutes ago, rlambke19 said: I admit, I am struggling with that dash though. Instead of one solid area to keep clean - there are now 4. Ugh. I can't quite tell, but it appears to be a large bolt head smack dab in the middle between the 2 screens. You know, right where your eyes will look when you look down. 😕 yeah that bolt head... realllly irks me. But then again if you mount your phone on the center of the bars or on the tank now, you don't have to worry about obscuring the dash! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeller Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 48 minutes ago, rlambke19 said: I admit, I am struggling with that dash though. Instead of one solid area to keep clean - there are now 4. Ugh. I can't quite tell, but it appears to be a large bolt head smack dab in the middle between the 2 screens. You know, right where your eyes will look when you look down. 😕 I can't judge if there would be room enough to mount a phone in vertical orientation in between the two displays, but that would make for cleaner look than having it on the handlebars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clegg78 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 hour ago, exbandit said: In the interests of price comparison ... i bought a "new" pre reg demo bike about a month ago for £9500. It was actually registered in the second week of August. It had a few little extras fitted, rad guard, chain guard and tank side gel stickers. Lots of dealers i spoke to were trying to off load the 2020 models asap. Still some unregistered bikes for £10,000 about. that's how I scored my 2019 GT later last year for 10,500 USD (Vs 12,999 tag price)... they wanted to clear it to get the 2020's in. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Fandango Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) I quite like it (except for the new panniers, they look like it got rear ended). That's a big jump in price though. And the US doesn't get the best color. Edited November 17, 2020 by Clem Fandango 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clegg78 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, smeller said: I can't judge if there would be room enough to mount a phone in vertical orientation in between the two displays, but that would make for cleaner look than having it on the handlebars. Is it possible that "bolt" in the middle is the 12v socket?? Kinda looks like one the more I look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clegg78 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Does the new multi screen dash give you Miles to Empty? That may be worth the $2000 upcharge alone 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlambke19 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Sorry for the multitude of posts. Just noticed that the dash doesn't sit fully behind the front fairing. I've never been a fan of naked bikes and this seems to borrow from that a bit. I'm old school, I guess. See below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeller Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, Clegg78 said: Does the new multi screen dash give you Miles to Empty? That may be worth the $2000 upcharge alone or at least a tank gauge that doesn't show full tank until it's half empty, like on the 2015 model.. Don't know if that's better on the newer models 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlambke19 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, smeller said: or at least a tank gauge that doesn't show full tank until it's half empty, like on the 2015 model.. Don't know if that's better on the newer models It was the same on my 2019 GT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clegg78 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, smeller said: or at least a tank gauge that doesn't show full tank until it's half empty, like on the 2015 model.. Don't know if that's better on the newer models Yeah same trash gas gauge on up to the 2020's I believe. I really just got good at resetting the trip meter and average MPG at every fill up and watching that more than the gas gauge... and just knew when I was over 160Miles, that I should start looking for gas stations 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlambke19 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 2021 Yamaha Tracer 9 and Tracer 9 GT specs revealed The 2021 Yamaha Tracer 9 and Tracer 9 GT announced with... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member knyte Posted November 17, 2020 Supporting Member Share Posted November 17, 2020 Ah, so, stroked engine and 'semi active' suspension. Interesting. 1 2015 FJ-09 / FJR touring bags / oil plug mod / Evotech rad guard / SW Motech bash plate / VStream touring windshield / Seat Concepts: Sport Touring / Vcyclenut ABS rings (speedo correction) / Cosmo RAM mount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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